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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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today is wednesday september 15 2021.

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259 days into the new year only 116

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days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere

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in the middle of nowhere

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that's right a total undisclosed

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but it is beautiful i would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to block for kj cr the game

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changer network and kg r a the planet

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race hobbes

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that's right joins us for the wilson

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yeah it's my narrator voice

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it's my robert clot worthy man i gotta

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get robber back on the show my man is

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a man is legend

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legend the final cut

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the wilson doc is back

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after five years and it's pissed off

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long and uh

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i'm in a great mood had a great day more

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on that in just a bit

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looking forward to that aren't you

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that's right that's why you're here

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you're not here for dolan you're here

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for my 15 minutes of just blasting

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that's why you're here

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you die a lot after that first 15

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minutes i know you do i i know i know

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what's what's the comment i gotta make

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and i know i know

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send i know what you guys are doing i i

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i i know this

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it's cool

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you know what's funny

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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines all night long that's going to

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wrap up our week

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and immediately after the show tomorrow

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night the jeep the fade to black black

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jeep with its black fade to black

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angeles and you see a black uh four-door

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wrangler you know raised up with the big

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you know that's what it says f2 black

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nothing happened nothing i didn't bump

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into these people later they didn't find

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i you know but it was just weird

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and uh they went straight and uh so i i

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okay uh where am i at oh so tomorrow

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night after the show packing up the fade

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to black jeep heading down to

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the lax hilton for the

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conscious life expo i will be hosting it

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all weekend long it's gonna be great

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and uh i'm just gonna say it out loud i

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got a text uh right before the show

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tonight carrie from palm springs i'm

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gonna be there saturday

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i'm gonna come and watch your interview

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and uh so yeah so that's uh that's cool

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carrie's gonna be there and

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and i hit her back and i said that's

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uh afterwards let's uh let's go grab a

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there's going to be other fader knots

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uh every night at the conscious life

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expo we get together in the lounge so i

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she's she's a bright ray of sunshine she

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september 17th through the 19th l a x

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doing the ufo side of things uh dr sarah

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do it there so i'll be doing the

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the uh the tin foil hat side my side

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and uh dr sarah larson co-hosting with

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me it's going to be great so anyway it's

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going on all weekend long get your

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tickets and info

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consciouslifeexpo.com promo code jimmy

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let's uh let's get straight to it follow

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me on twitter at jchurchradio the

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hashtag is

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f2b right there on twitter for the

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sandbox come and hang out with us

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and uh there you go okay all right

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breaking news history has been made as

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inspiration for the first ever orbital

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launched today this afternoon this

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kennedy space center the four passengers

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on board their 13 foot wide crew dragon

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capsule sounds big it's tight free

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flying through orbit at a

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amazon one of the two

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inspiration for uh i think there's four

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but there's a meeting that they have

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they're like hey

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let's go let's go further than the iss

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and it was really fun i don't know man

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uh you know there's money there's things

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and logistics and you know in the

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engineering era but they it was right

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there went down in the meeting

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an extra 100 miles outside

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of where the international space station

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tech pioneer also talking about

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billionaires in space tech pioneer steve

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wozniak's not quite a billionaire

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of what steve jobs uh did to him but

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he's still pretty rich i think he's

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worth a few hundred million dollars

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should be you know 20 or 30 billion

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dollars but anyway steve wozniak

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has become the natives the latest

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newcomer to join the private space

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business

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origin and spacex companies plan to set

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up cities on mars or build colonies in

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wozniak's privateer that's what it's

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called appears to be focused on cleaning

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privateer as quote a new satellite

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company focused on monitoring and

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cleaning up objects in space end quote

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um announced today country music star

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reba mcintyre and seven others

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that's right

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a stairwell collapsed mcintyre was

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touring the historic building with a

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small group in atoca oklahoma one person

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on that tour sustained minor injuries

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you should see it right there window

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fire department ladder there's reba

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second floor she could have jumped

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all right now i don't do politics on

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where yesterday governor gavin newsom

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survived his recall

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with over two-thirds of the vote with

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which actually means

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it was a colossal waste of time and

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money

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to the tune of probably 500

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million

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dollars

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on larry elder larry elder ranford

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did this camp larry elder who i am like

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10 spaces above

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i said it i said it i said it 500 200

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million from the republic why

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why

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because he didn't wear a face mask in a

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fancy french restaurant that was a

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it was pure stupidity but uh anyway i

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don't do politics i i could really give

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a crap but

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500 million dollars man

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with the world today what a waste of

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time and money okay

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all right a 900 year old cosmic mystery

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surrounding the origins of a supernova

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first spotted over china in the year

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1181

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has finally been solved a faint fast

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expanding nebula called p830 has been

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identified as the source of the 12th

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century explosion which chinese and

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japanese astronomers said

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was as bright as the planet saturn and

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remained visible for six months

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experts have said that p830 which

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surrounds parker's star

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was one of the hottest stars in the

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milky way fits their profile location

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and age of the historic supernova let's

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get to show crack and happy birthday to

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today tom hardy

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one of my favorites one of the best

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rock and rolla

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tinker taylor soldier spy right

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tom hardy today

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is 44. what was his name handsome

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handsome bob

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[Laughter]

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tom hardy tommy lee jones today is 75

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men in black i'm just going right there

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night ranger drummer kelly kagey today

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is 69 not only the drummer he's saying

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lead vocals on several of their biggest

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hits such as sister christian that was

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kelly

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sing me away

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that was kelly

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wore the gloves remember that

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yeah he was good warrant bassist

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jerry dixon today

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is just 54 years old i guess he was the

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baby of the band our dead guy's birthday

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today is i need a moment of silence

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please

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lee dorman

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of 70. lee was the bass player for iron

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butterfly and yes it was his base

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in the rock anthem

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the 17 minute long

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in a gotta davida

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in agata davita that lp topped the

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billboard albums charts it sold more

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than eight million copies within its

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first year

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of release

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think about that back then huge

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outselling every record in the history

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of recorded music to that time and

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achieved worldwide sales of over 30

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million copies

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shortly after his first departure from

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iron butterfly he was in the man until

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his death in 1971 lee co-founded the

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great and amazing band captain beyond it

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was a great band with ex deep purple

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lead vocalist rod evans

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lee died of natural causes in his car in

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laguna niguel california on december 21

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and uh lee was a really close friend of

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mine

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i knew him really well

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he managed a band that i produced a

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really close friends of mine hans

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naughty

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and uh

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and and we just

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we remained friends for for years and

382
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um

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i had a lot of great times and great

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conversations with lee lee dorm and he

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taught me a lot happy birthday lee i

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hope you're up there listening to me

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right now my friend on this day in

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history otd

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1954

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that famous picture of marilyn monroe

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laughing as her skirt is blown up by a

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blast from a subway vent

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is shot during the filming

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of the seven year itch

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on this day in 1954 fader fact

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57

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of all drivers in the united states

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admit

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they don't use turn signals

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the reason is

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they don't have enough time

402
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yeah i always use my turn signals

403
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i always do

404
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i'm like neurotic with it

405
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it's like some kind of weird ocd but i

406
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use my turn signals for everything i

407
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just do man i'm just like some old dude

408
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you know and and when i'm a passenger in

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a car which isn't often but when i am

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and somebody's changing lanes they're

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turning and doing things without turns i

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just freak man

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i gotta get out of this car

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all right

415
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tonight richard dolan joins us uh we are

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going to do the wilson dock all evening

417
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tonight i'm calling this show

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the final cut

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that's right tomorrow night's another

420
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fader night with open lines all night

421
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long and i'm looking forward to that

422
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and uh right now i got to hit this river

423
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moon coffee special cup today man just

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sometimes i use i'm going to let a

425
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i use

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dunkin donuts

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extra creamy

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stuff what what do you call that

429
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coffee creamer

430
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the dunkin donuts it's real cream

431
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it's real sugar

432
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and it's really good i don't use any of

433
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that other international delight this

434
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and that belgian chocolate caramel

435
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salted

436
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pumpkin

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no i don't do

438
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none of that

439
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,840
that dunkin donuts

440
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extra creamy real cream real [\h__\h] that's

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the name of it by the way it's dunkin

442
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real cream real sugar that's it man it's

443
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really good really good okay

444
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,520
all right let me hit this again oh but i

445
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didn't do that today today

446
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,510
yes sometimes i just do a black by the

447
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way because i like my coffee doc

448
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:02,080
sometimes i i do i go black

449
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okay

450
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,960
man i got a lot to say let me get to

451
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this

452
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,480
ah today was a very visual day

453
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,559
a lot to take in it all started off with

454
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everybody's favorite thing to do by the

455
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way but that's not the point

456
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,360
but i did get my new tags

457
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i didn't go to the dmd dmv for tags

458
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,320
by the way i didn't i didn't want to

459
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wait on the mail and hey everybody wants

460
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,559
to hang out at the dmv once in a while

461
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but i had to go because you have to be

462
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there in person

463
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,440
to get the new real id you got to do

464
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,799
that in person you got to bring in your

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docs and they scanned them and they did

466
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and i thought well hey while i'm here

467
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just get my tag so i did that

468
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,120
anyway

469
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,080
while i was there waiting

470
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,960
i watched the new matrix resurrections

471
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trailer

472
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,240
on my phone

473
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,360
and yeah i'm a big matrix guy we all are

474
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,840
and and maybe i was expecting too much

475
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,240
but i gotta say

476
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,400
it wasn't all that

477
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so when i got back to the bunker i

478
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dialed it up on the big monitors here

479
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and

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to make sure i wasn't imagining things

481
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,440
but nope nothing changed for me and

482
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,200
here's the deal

483
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,360
it it feels like stuff we've already

484
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,799
seen before

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and

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i just don't know how how else to put it

487
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and maybe it was the trailer i get that

488
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you know uh showing certain elements of

489
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the film for effect

490
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things that we're all familiar with from

491
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the past films but i don't know it's

492
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like they just re-shot it and

493
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and i mean they had the karate scene

494
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they had the blue pill and uh and

495
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morpheus is not in the film now they got

496
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a young look-alike morpheus thing and in

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the car

498
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man i don't i don't i don't know

499
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,440
i just didn't get excited so we're gonna

500
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have to wait until december 22nd to

501
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,559
check this out

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and uh

503
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uh you know i know we're all gonna watch

504
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the film but hopefully

505
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it's not gonna be like coming

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to

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america part

508
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:16,159
you know what i mean okay but anyway

509
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,279
back to

510
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uh today's visuals

511
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so i watched all of the spacex live

512
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stream

513
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all three or four hours and finally with

514
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one minute left in the

515
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countdown i you know you wait all that

516
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,080
time you know you wait and one minute

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left and here we go

518
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eric the awakening man calls

519
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,679
i'm like you've got to be kidding me

520
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,919
but i gotta pick it up it's eric's so i

521
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,360
did

522
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,080
speaker

523
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i cranked up the volume

524
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,750
did the countdown

525
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,440
now here's the deal

526
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,360
the launch today was pretty powerful

527
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,120
first off it's at night so you get that

528
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,720
part dialed

529
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,480
look pretty cool and for the first time

530
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:05,440
like in eva we got four civilians

531
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,279
private citizens launching into space

532
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,120
for

533
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:16,870
orbiting our planet

534
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,080
orbiting earth for the next three days

535
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:22,840
because they

536
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,200
can wow huge day for the history books

537
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
and

538
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,840
an awakening man just had to call it

539
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,640
that moment but i kid i kid i kid

540
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,840
anyway totally mind-blowing exciting

541
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,960
and

542
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,520
a historic moment in time it was truly

543
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,480
amazing

544
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,159
i don't think i'll ever get tired of

545
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,159
watching the first stage return to earth

546
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,720
that is just you know and in my

547
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,120
excitement the vigils you know all of

548
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,400
that

549
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,760
it's just all so awesome but

550
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:56,880
india there's always a but but

551
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,480
after about 11 minutes the feed cut off

552
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,480
still not sure why but i wanted to see

553
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,559
the observation dome i'm gonna see that

554
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,640
i wanted to see the crew unbuckled you

555
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,480
know i wanted to see some real action

556
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,279
and we got nothing

557
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,039
i went to all of the live feeds all

558
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:14,960
around the net different sites youtube

559
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,480
nasa's youtube and well nothing

560
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,880
no biggie i get it but

561
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
but this is where my mind kind of

562
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,960
wandered and the strange thoughts

563
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,799
started to bubble up and come to the

564
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,679
surface and although i've mentioned this

565
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,279
before

566
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,200
today it was really out front and that

567
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,760
is the inside of the crew dragon capsule

568
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,600
is empty

569
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,360
there's nothing there

570
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,720
right it's just a little too clean

571
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,600
and those black rubber fisherman's boots

572
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,840
what's up with that in a real emergency

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00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,919
they ain't doing squat but

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00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,880
but here's the real question

575
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,679
what do you do in that little space that

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00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:58,799
13 foot wide crew dragon with three

577
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,960
other friends for three days now i know

578
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,720
you've got a monitor in front of your

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face and you know and it's a touch

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00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,320
screen and it's pretty cool and you get

581
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to do stuff but can you play like red

582
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:11,919
redemption

583
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,679
game is called can you play that

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you got video games you got something

585
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,520
seriously

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00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,440
three days with white walls it's just

587
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,120
too clean in there

588
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,279
look i take it for a ride for sure it

589
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,279
would be great

590
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,279
for about five or six orbits then you

591
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:31,039
know then you're like what's next what

592
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,080
do we do

593
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,159
now i'm sure

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after about seven hours of well you know

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you get the idea but but after seven

596
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hours i'd be thinking to myself you know

597
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we're gonna do this exactly this

598
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for the next three days

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for 72 hours

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i'd lose my mind

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00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,720
anyway

602
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,039
this is what happens to me if you cut

603
00:29:03,350 --> 00:28:59,279
off the video live stream for no reason

604
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,510
but then i got my answer

605
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:10,070
i found out today

606
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,440
that space x's first civilian crew

607
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:18,880
will have zip ties

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in case someone becomes a danger

609
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that's right

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00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,960
three days with nothing to do maybe too

611
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:35,200
much for one of them to handle and i get

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00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,240
it

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you see

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he really does

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight

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on this program

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richard bleepin dolan he's joining us

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for the wilson dock

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the final cut

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tomorrow night right here fader night

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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what's up chris what up this is kyle

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church all right

725
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,160
here we go now i do want to remind uh

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00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,400
everybody what's going on this week uh

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00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,400
tonight richard dolan is here

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uh tomorrow night is uh fader night with

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open lines all night long and

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immediately after the show tomorrow

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night

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00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,599
uh i'm gonna jump in the car the jeep

733
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,359
and uh head down to lax for the

734
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,520
conscious life expo i'll be hosting that

735
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,200
all weekend i'll be doing some live

736
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,720
streaming of course i'll be on the air

737
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,839
with them but

738
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,440
uh i'm gonna be hanging out with all of

739
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,960
you fader knots down there it's gonna be

740
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,359
great and uh one of my favorite things

741
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,640
to do is uh to go down to the lounge uh

742
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,000
each night

743
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,000
and and hang out with richard dolan oh

744
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,160
wait you're not gonna be there oh okay

745
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,480
so i'm not gonna go down uh to the

746
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:13,440
lounge at all ever because

747
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,240
uh

748
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,000
richard is not gonna be there tonight

749
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:18,079
our guest is richard dolan

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00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,320
and uh tonight um i have framed this

751
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,599
show

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00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:24,720
uh

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00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,960
final cut

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00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,280
and uh now before i get into uh

755
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,119
richard's five-page uh cv and bio

756
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:38,320
um tonight i have chosen

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00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,280
to

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00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,280
uh and i you know richard and i have not

759
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,920
discussed this at length but uh

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00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,920
i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna stay on

761
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
the other side of the fence uh there's a

762
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,079
lot of stuff about the wilson dock that

763
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:51,680
i have questioned

764
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,280
um over the years and i've certainly uh

765
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,960
uh brought this up on the show and spoke

766
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,400
to richard about this in the past but

767
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,960
tonight we're going to do uh everything

768
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,240
about it we're going to talk about its

769
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,680
history where it came from we're going

770
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:06,079
to talk about the content in that doc

771
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,520
but we're also going to talk about the

772
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,680
controversies uh surrounding it and some

773
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,599
of the things that have come to light of

774
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,560
late

775
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,200
and uh and just to give everybody a

776
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,640
little heads up i called up richard and

777
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,119
i said hey man i've got point a point b

778
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,160
point c point d and and you know what

779
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,920
let's just do a show about it let's not

780
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,320
talk about it now we'll discuss it uh

781
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,320
later on in the week and he said church

782
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,240
let's go let's put the gloves on i said

783
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:32,720
okay all right let's do it and then then

784
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,640
we segwayed richard we segued into oh

785
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,320
mj12

786
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,760
right

787
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,950
uh one one night we've got to do a show

788
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,960
on that one at a time yeah yeah one

789
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,960
controversy at a time

790
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,480
richard is one of the world's leading

791
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,160
researchers and writers on the subject

792
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,079
of ufos and he believes that they do

793
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,440
constitute the greatest mystery of our

794
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,680
time of course he completed all of his

795
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,119
graduate work at the university of

796
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,079
rochester where he studied u.s cold war

797
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,920
strategy european history and

798
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,000
international diplomacy that's what you

799
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,680
go to school for i would have done the

800
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,400
same thing he also studied at alfred

801
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,960
university and oxford university he's

802
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,560
the author of many books and he's a

803
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,800
publisher and all of that stuff ufos and

804
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:20,880
the national security state co-authored

805
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,079
with bryce zabel a.d after disclosure

806
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:25,599
and his latest book

807
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,200
ufos and the 21st century mind and now i

808
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,440
wait wait wait no he's done a couple of

809
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,520
little books but those are i did the

810
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:36,000
alien agendas last year oh yeah okay all

811
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:36,960
right

812
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:40,960
that wasn't that wasn't a booklet

813
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,930
you're right that wasn't a pamphlet

814
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:44,800
[Laughter]

815
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,160
and uh and and of course he's he's live

816
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:50,000
on youtube every week uh with the

817
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,520
richard dolan show

818
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,240
and i encourage everybody to go and

819
00:38:58,030 --> 00:38:56,640
visit richard dolanmembers.com

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00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,040
the links are over at

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00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,480
jimmychurchradio.com and uh

822
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,480
now let's get straight to it richard oh

823
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:03,599
um

824
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,119
uh uh i i just want to say this

825
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,599
richard and i last month uh we spent a

826
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,079
week together and uh

827
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:13,520
uh we

828
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:17,280
just like everybody would expect we sat

829
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,880
uh for countless hours uh each day late

830
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,560
into the evening

831
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:24,000
discussing

832
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,400
ufos the community uaps the history

833
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,960
and wow richard man

834
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,040
right we we ran that into the ground

835
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,320
didn't we we did we had a great time we

836
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,480
i loved it i loved it i i thought you

837
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,880
enjoyed it and um it was awesome yeah

838
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,480
yep yep and then we even did some

839
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,640
personal critiques too as well we ran

840
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,079
out of material

841
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,359
and started to analyze each other yeah

842
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,119
that was that was that was a lot of fun

843
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,800
that was really cool but

844
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,800
um i i'm sure that a lot of people

845
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,960
wonder you know what you and i talk you

846
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,960
know we talk about other things but do

847
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,200
they actually talk about ufos well we

848
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:03,200
did that week didn't we

849
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,359
man man man absolutely okay um now uh

850
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
but i i actually want to start here

851
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:10,880
today was uh

852
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,560
uh you know september 15th uh 2021 a

853
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:17,280
very historic day for this planet

854
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,520
uh spacex launched four civilians

855
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,960
four civilians man four space tourists

856
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,440
are orbiting this planet right now it's

857
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,160
a big deal isn't it

858
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,359
yeah

859
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,760
sure did you did you watch it

860
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,560
no i did not oh man

861
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,599
i know

862
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:39,839
what's wrong with me

863
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,599
right jimmy's shaking his head i i cried

864
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,000
i lost it it was emotional no it was

865
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,920
pretty cool man it was pretty cool i

866
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,599
think that's i think that's that's great

867
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,280
i mean that's a big deal i mean you know

868
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,119
you and i growing up through the space

869
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,400
race and

870
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,880
you know when you and i are a child of

871
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,960
the 60s you know you're five six seven

872
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,960
eight nine years old and you're going

873
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,319
here's the thing i'm just gonna say this

874
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,160
so last night i did a live stream on my

875
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,440
youtube channel and i'm talking about

876
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,880
basically the end of the world and the

877
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,960
growth of totalitarian everything over

878
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,359
our lives so i've had other things on my

879
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,950
i'm just gonna say man that's heavy

880
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,319
that's heavy

881
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,680
yeah that that's everything in the

882
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,359
middle of a global revolution that's

883
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,040
what i call it that's what it is no one

884
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,800
says that but that's what it is

885
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:27,920
and

886
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,119
um you know i made this weird comment uh

887
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,680
the other day richard and uh before i

888
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,720
get to uh uh some other stuff i made

889
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,880
this comment the other day about uh

890
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,880
wasn't speaking about you

891
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,200
i was speaking about

892
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,560
uh

893
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,520
the the mass media and

894
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,599
uh different

895
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,880
different uh voices uh on terrestrial

896
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,920
radio

897
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,920
not not podcasters or things like that i

898
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,319
wasn't i wasn't going there but that if

899
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,160
you are out there and you're an

900
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,880
influencer and and you're a talking head

901
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,720
on tv and

902
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,920
and you're

903
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,560
doing your opinions instead of the news

904
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,720
which is what goes on today right we all

905
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,720
know that but if you're going to be out

906
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,839
there opening your mouth you better be

907
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,839
right you better be right you better be

908
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,400
right and because most of the time

909
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,240
almost a hundred percent

910
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,400
everybody's wrong right

911
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,160
that's a matter of that's a tricky

912
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,720
argument i mean it is because what your

913
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,040
what one could interpret that as being

914
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,640
basically shutting down debate and

915
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,720
discourse you know people have arguments

916
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,480
and not everyone's right

917
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,000
so what do you do in that event do you

918
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,160
just shut the person down who's who you

919
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,599
think is wrong well we're getting a lot

920
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,359
of that these days and i actually

921
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,880
disagree with that

922
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,280
and i think that we need to continue to

923
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,680
debate and that includes having opinions

924
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,119
that are wrong

925
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,720
uh not everyone can be right all the

926
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,400
time that's the whole point of having an

927
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,920
open society is that people are going to

928
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,240
disagree they got to work things out

929
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,160
that means you you have to be allowed to

930
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,680
make mistakes yeah yeah yeah you're not

931
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,760
allowed to make mistakes sure go you

932
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,400
know you're living in a one-party state

933
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,319
where there's only one truth

934
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,000
trust the science

935
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,119
you know yeah yeah yeah and and the

936
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,640
science rather than question authority

937
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,920
which is what we used to have now we're

938
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,160
like believe the science yeah yeah and

939
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,400
no i agree with what you just said

940
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,400
that's not what i said

941
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,960
okay so let me terrify it yeah yeah i

942
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,880
know what it sounded like

943
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760
and uh but no what i'm saying is

944
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:30,960
that

945
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:38,319
opinions for shock value and for effect

946
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,560
where they don't absolutely uh have zero

947
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,000
concern

948
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,000
for reality

949
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,160
for anything factual right and they're

950
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,760
doing that for clicks and they're doing

951
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,960
it and if you are going to do that

952
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,040
that's what i'm referring to if you're

953
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,040
going to be one of those you better be

954
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,079
right because your loud voice people are

955
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,839
going to remember that and when you're

956
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,800
wrong

957
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:04,560
you take a hard tumble

958
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,280
and just just be careful do your thing

959
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,720
spirited debate is wonderful we need we

960
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,800
need that all the time

961
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,319
um but

962
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,200
you you'd better be right if you are

963
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,680
going to speak about something that you

964
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:23,040
know

965
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,000
is

966
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:27,200
probably wrong but you're doing it for

967
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,160
effect

968
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,920
and and you're doing it for clicks and

969
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,359
you're doing it for shock value and

970
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599
you're doing it to rile people up you

971
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,520
better be careful with that

972
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:37,359
so

973
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:42,319
end of the world scenario

974
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,450
you better be right

975
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,720
[Laughter]

976
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:47,359
no i i'd like to be wrong yeah of course

977
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,400
of course

978
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,800
love to be wrong and i would love if in

979
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,400
20 years from now people look back and

980
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,280
say oh dolan was off his rocker

981
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,839
that'll be the best outcome yeah we um

982
00:45:03,670 --> 00:44:59,839
we talked about this before again

983
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,680
privately and i remember uh

984
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:05,680
us getting into this and it was very

985
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,280
spirited and and i totally

986
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,920
see not only your position and the

987
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,599
warning signs

988
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,720
but this has been um this has been

989
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,839
simmering in a pot for a while now

990
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,720
and i don't think that any of us

991
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,920
you know we

992
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,800
when we talk about 1984 right people

993
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,160
bring that up they've never read the

994
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,839
book but they always use that for a

995
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,960
reference

996
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,680
but

997
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,160
these warning signs have been talked

998
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,920
about for a long time going back you

999
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,400
know 50 years but i don't think any of

1000
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,359
us

1001
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,480
saw

1002
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,720
that we could actually get to that point

1003
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,599
where

1004
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,920
this is a reality and this is a very

1005
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,400
real possibility but that's where we are

1006
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,640
today that is and we've been building

1007
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,640
toward it 911 you know everyone thought

1008
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,440
that was that that was the end result of

1009
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,119
uh of everything that had built up to

1010
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,119
that point but 9 11 was actually a dress

1011
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,359
rehearsal for what we're living in now i

1012
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,640
believe that

1013
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,920
so all of the international

1014
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,599
collaboration that had to do with

1015
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,680
expansion of state power over citizens

1016
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,680
which happened under 911 even countries

1017
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,920
that didn't have a terrorist attack they

1018
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,760
followed the us patriot act and they did

1019
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:15,760
the whole thing to their citizens host

1020
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,560
them over stripped them of their rights

1021
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,160
so there was clear coordination then but

1022
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,920
we're seeing vastly greater coordination

1023
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,720
now

1024
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,720
across the board internationally we're

1025
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,200
looking at an obvious global revolution

1026
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:29,040
that is going to create a digital

1027
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,319
virtual

1028
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,480
totalitarian latchkey stake you know

1029
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,480
what it happened uh i've said this

1030
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:35,839
before

1031
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,839
remember and it's not what you think

1032
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:43,839
richard you know what caused it

1033
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,000
it wasn't the patriot act no it was uh

1034
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,440
four five years before that four years

1035
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
ted kaczynski

1036
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,440
that's what caused it

1037
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,560
the unabomber and the surgery a lot of a

1038
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,319
lot of things that build up but but this

1039
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,560
is what happened oklahoma city don't

1040
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,400
forget that yes yes yes there's a lot of

1041
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,000
suspicious things about many of these

1042
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,240
and i mean i studied a lot of false flag

1043
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,560
aspects of many of the events that led

1044
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,480
up to 911

1045
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,560
through the 90s and i'm not prepared to

1046
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,160
argue that every single one was a false

1047
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,760
flag but there's a lot of suspicious

1048
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,880
things

1049
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,040
that occurred through the 90s and prior

1050
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,720
frankly but certainly in the 90s after

1051
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,400
the cold war ended

1052
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,359
um that make me think that we we've just

1053
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,280
been we've been played for a long time

1054
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:31,680
yeah i was i was sitting in an airport

1055
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,720
in sacramento flying back to l.a

1056
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,640
and i remember it like it was yesterday

1057
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:38,720
man the whole ted kaczynski thing and

1058
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,839
the manifesto and the search and who was

1059
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,240
the unabomber and everything and and i'm

1060
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,200
sitting at the gate with about 50 people

1061
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,839
uh with our luggage carry-on luggage

1062
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,760
and suddenly

1063
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:52,400
the

1064
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,240
we're searching everybody's bags open up

1065
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,200
your bags i was like no you're not

1066
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,200
oh yes we are

1067
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,280
open up your bags i said i'm not open

1068
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,880
i'm not a no

1069
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,839
no

1070
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,480
flight

1071
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,800
and i was like you've what

1072
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,200
and that way and it was all the search

1073
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,880
for you know for the you know and and

1074
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,160
that was

1075
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,119
that moment when i unzipped my luggage

1076
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,760
and allowed them to pilfer through my

1077
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,119
underwear

1078
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,280
and and look through my stuff it was at

1079
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,760
that moment i gave in

1080
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680
and that was it and

1081
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,599
everything else happened later you know

1082
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,800
and and

1083
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,200
it was the unabomber i'm telling you

1084
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,040
that was the moment that was the moment

1085
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,280
well all right if someone wants to

1086
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,359
really hear me get into it and get fired

1087
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,680
up and almost getting get angry uh check

1088
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,440
out my youtube thing from last night i

1089
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,040
never promote my stuff on your show but

1090
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,960
i'm going to promote this video i call

1091
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,359
it the global revolution go check it out

1092
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:56,480
i i did get some email about that by the

1093
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,200
way

1094
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:59,920
did you yes i did i did richard was

1095
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,200
fired up man richard was fired up you

1096
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,160
need to check that out i was like wow

1097
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,119
okay all right um

1098
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,200
uh okay

1099
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,960
what was the last song what was the last

1100
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:15,680
song you listened to today

1101
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:18,800
oh last song yes

1102
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,760
yeah i'm still in my 40s swing jazz kick

1103
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,359
i can't get rid of it

1104
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,640
it's too good

1105
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,400
you know what it is it's the music of

1106
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:28,000
freedom

1107
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,960
so is rock and roll

1108
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,720
but jazz is freedom

1109
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,520
so i had a bunch of 40s stuff on and i

1110
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,680
cranked it and the last one was great

1111
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,760
benny goodman sing sing

1112
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,160
that's the cut man that's yeah how do

1113
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,319
you beat that that's the cut

1114
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,680
gene krupa

1115
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:49,680
i just crank it up

1116
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,790
gene krupa man can i get him

1117
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,880
he was a bomb he was really the first

1118
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,720
like like

1119
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,280
badass drummer like he was the fir he

1120
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,960
was before there was keith moon there

1121
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,640
was gene cooper yeah he was the john

1122
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,280
bonham yeah yeah he was the john bonham

1123
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,000
of his day and if you

1124
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:15,520
listen to

1125
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,800
the way benny wails on that

1126
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,720
he's like

1127
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:22,480
eddie van halen

1128
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,400
yes yes yes i mean oh just just unreal

1129
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,800
unreal um caused people to lose their

1130
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,599
minds too that song i mean people just

1131
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,640
couldn't couldn't control themselves

1132
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,760
by the way i don't know if you have

1133
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,520
control this but i'm getting notes that

1134
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,200
my volume is low

1135
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,000
uh for me okay gain up here but i don't

1136
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,559
know if you have control over that i do

1137
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,200
you are now really loud that's what i'm

1138
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,720
talking about oh man

1139
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,960
okay there you go you've got you've got

1140
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,640
dolan front and center and i thank you

1141
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,040
yeah you might um you know what i just

1142
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,880
pulled the mic a little closer to you

1143
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,480
it's what you do don't turn the mic up

1144
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,640
pull it closer to you

1145
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,760
you're telling me how to do my thing

1146
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,760
here yeah yeah we've done this before

1147
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,160
closer there we go

1148
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:09,839
okay um uh benny goodman sing sing

1149
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,559
yeah it was great let's uh let's just

1150
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:14,480
jump straight into it there are a lot of

1151
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,839
uh people listening tonight and uh

1152
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:20,800
wondering how uh this is gonna be

1153
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,480
handled and there there has been

1154
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,920
nobody here is running around life with

1155
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,520
uh blinders on

1156
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,480
um

1157
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,079
there has been a lot of chatter out

1158
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,079
there on social media about the wilson

1159
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,400
dock and things surface and i love that

1160
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,680
it's never boring around here um so we

1161
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,720
have those issues and as that stuff

1162
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,599
uh surfaced i did i i called richard and

1163
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,280
said you know what's going on well let's

1164
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,119
talk about this okay

1165
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:51,839
and uh and that's where we are tonight i

1166
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,359
want to actually start for those

1167
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,280
uh that may not know that are running

1168
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,119
around with blinders on

1169
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,559
uh what is the wilson davis dock and i

1170
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,559
am sure that there are people listening

1171
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,760
right now

1172
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,520
that are going what what what are they

1173
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,720
talking about

1174
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
may i do this yes what do you want to do

1175
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,640
no no let's actually start right there

1176
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,920
if i was going to say richard what is

1177
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:18,400
the wilson davis doc your answer would

1178
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:19,119
be

1179
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,359
reality it is notes written by dr eric

1180
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,920
davis in 2002

1181
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,839
after davis is a private scientist he's

1182
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:29,760
got security clearances and he met in

1183
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,119
2002 with retired admiral thomas wilson

1184
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,359
wilson had been director of the defense

1185
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,200
intelligence he had been deputy director

1186
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,240
of the dia back in 1997

1187
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,640
and according to davis's notes from his

1188
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,280
conversation with wilson in 2002 wilson

1189
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,440
was denied access

1190
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,200
to a reverse

1191
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:52,480
engineering et related program

1192
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,000
from dominated by a private contractor

1193
00:53:03,349 --> 00:52:59,280
after he learned about

1194
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,349
by dr stephen greer edgar mitchell and a

1195
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,400
few others who met with him in 97

1196
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,119
wilson went on his two month wild goose

1197
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,280
chase to find the program found four was

1198
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,720
denied access

1199
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,640
and five years later when he retires

1200
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,079
talks to davis

1201
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,559
and davis writes these notes

1202
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,559
those notes

1203
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,079
as i have said many times were shown to

1204
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:26,240
me in 2006

1205
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,280
and i'm going to talk about that a

1206
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:29,119
little bit more

1207
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,280
and then leaked out to the world in 2019

1208
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,119
and and people have some people have

1209
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,559
said wow these are amazing other people

1210
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,640
said these are completely bogus

1211
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,400
now they're kind of that's where that

1212
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,119
the core document because there are some

1213
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,599
extra pages and other things to consider

1214
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:46,480
here

1215
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,760
this package uh we have the

1216
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,640
alien autopsy pages too as well and

1217
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,400
these are all ancillaries

1218
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,040
from the state of dr edgar mitchell

1219
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,720
that is right but the

1220
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:03,839
the core document i believe is

1221
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,319
14 pages 13 pages 14 13 plus two pages

1222
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,079
of a letter by will miller that's right

1223
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:13,119
amanda will alpha off and eric davis now

1224
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:17,760
um uh historically we would call this

1225
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,040
document a leak um it was leaked out it

1226
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,160
did come from the archives of of

1227
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,559
astronaut uh mitchell but

1228
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,359
uh

1229
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,040
the

1230
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:32,800
uh

1231
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,960
richard was exposed to a couple of pages

1232
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:39,440
back in the late 2000s 2007 which you

1233
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,799
just mentioned 2006 2006. um we're going

1234
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,200
to talk about that because that's an

1235
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,400
important uh point uh to

1236
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,319
to i can actually prove that by the way

1237
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,480
and i will prove that tonight

1238
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,559
our listeners will

1239
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,200
will find that proof because

1240
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:00,079
and and and what's what's really uh cool

1241
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,000
for me is a few years ago

1242
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,400
way before the document leak you you

1243
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,119
actually mentioned it on this show

1244
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,000
that's right yeah and uh uh so the

1245
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,079
document actually had leaked by then to

1246
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,839
grant cameron although i did not know

1247
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,200
this fact

1248
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,400
so it was it had gone to grant from

1249
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,920
james rigney

1250
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,599
who was the second in line to get those

1251
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,720
documents

1252
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,480
yes that is correct james gave him the

1253
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,880
grant and uh i think grant was at a

1254
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,799
conference run by paula harris in

1255
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,799
november of 8 2018

1256
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,559
rigney was there

1257
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,200
showed grant the documents uh the notes

1258
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,280
which had leaked to him he'd gotten

1259
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,440
they'd been jpeg by then

1260
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,040
so grant had them but when i did the

1261
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,480
interview with you

1262
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,240
that was before that neither of us knew

1263
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:47,839
any of this so that was in i think

1264
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,799
december of 2018. yes yes it was before

1265
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,520
that

1266
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,280
curveball at me you said have i ever

1267
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,280
seen i was not expecting this question

1268
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,200
you said if i hadn't ever seen or

1269
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,200
experienced anything that i've never

1270
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,280
told anyone about

1271
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,880
and

1272
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,480
the new bit of information that i gave

1273
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,559
you and the world that night was that

1274
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,480
like i had talked about

1275
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,079
what i'd known about the thomas wilson

1276
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,760
affair like i had talked about this and

1277
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,359
i talked that he'd i had mentioned he'd

1278
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,000
been not denied access but i'd never

1279
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,799
mentioned that i had read the notes

1280
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,799
those two or three pages i'd not ever

1281
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,520
said that until your show that night i

1282
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,319
remember how uncomfortable uh you were

1283
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,280
um discussing that okay so

1284
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:32,319
um so back to the historical timeline

1285
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,280
here

1286
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,480
um after that uh

1287
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,680
uh grant had come up to me at uh the

1288
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,480
conscious life expo with his attorney

1289
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,400
and and said i've got these docs man

1290
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,440
i've got

1291
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,160
and and he was he was like shaking

1292
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,559
and yes yes he was yeah and i was like

1293
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,799
dude you know what's going on well you

1294
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,799
know i just just be patient we're trying

1295
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:56,319
to figure out how we're going to do this

1296
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,960
and

1297
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,400
i was like well the thing is he knew

1298
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,520
that this was explosive like

1299
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,040
yeah when when i got the documents

1300
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,640
leaked to me a few months later i talked

1301
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,160
to grant and he said well now you're in

1302
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,839
the box simon

1303
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,079
that's exactly what he said and and and

1304
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,400
to be clear here um

1305
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:14,319
uh when

1306
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,599
uh richard and i uh got these it was

1307
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:20,079
like proton mail or something

1308
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,440
something comes in

1309
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,599
and i'm looking at i'm like imager you

1310
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,000
know and and i never richard i never

1311
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,599
click on those links i just don't it's

1312
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,520
just like always uh i didn't either but

1313
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,079
tracy did right i would never have seen

1314
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,480
them right right tracy is checking out

1315
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,640
my email says oh what's this i did the

1316
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,599
same thing

1317
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,839
i would never have seen them until they

1318
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:41,200
would have leaked two months later i

1319
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,920
know

1320
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,359
i would i would have completely been

1321
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,520
oblivious so i call richard and i go

1322
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,480
dude

1323
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,200
have you seen these i have

1324
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,720
what is going on and that was uh that

1325
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,599
was a pretty pivotal day

1326
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,920
and and pretty pivotal week because the

1327
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,079
next day um

1328
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,160
i called uh stephen greer

1329
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,920
and told them about the documents i did

1330
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,760
send them to steve and i said your name

1331
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,040
is in here

1332
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,480
and then i think it was that friday uh i

1333
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,040
brought greer on to

1334
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,480
coast to coast

1335
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,680
maybe we did that both

1336
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:20,960
in the same week but the point being

1337
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,160
that these documents were

1338
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,839
were hot

1339
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,520
um i mean you know like too hot to

1340
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,079
handle burn after reading kind of thing

1341
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,440
we were all reading them uh line for

1342
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,160
line page for page trying to absorb what

1343
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,440
is going on

1344
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,520
some of this stuff including like the

1345
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,359
alien autopsy

1346
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,359
uh richard and i had talked you know the

1347
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,040
stuff about kate green we have talked

1348
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,119
about that before

1349
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,400
but all of this suddenly is is crashing

1350
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,319
down on us at the same time and we had

1351
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,559
to absorb it and understand the

1352
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,799
significance of it and i want to tell

1353
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,880
you why i hesitated to release them

1354
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,520
myself there's only one reason

1355
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,720
the only reason is that because

1356
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,280
you know i had been shown that document

1357
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,000
those notes in 06

1358
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:11,440
and

1359
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:14,880
i have said this many many times is

1360
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:18,400
extremely ultra super duper close to all

1361
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:20,079
of this

1362
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,960
all right

1363
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:22,960
i've never given up his name

1364
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,400
smart people have figured this out

1365
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,720
it's not that difficult frankly

1366
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,640
but i i promised i'm not going to give

1367
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,400
this guy up so

1368
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,920
and

1369
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,079
that is the only reason i hesitated at

1370
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,480
all like if if i had no part of that at

1371
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,559
all if i had never seen these before i

1372
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,480
can tell you right now

1373
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,559
i would i would have put those out in

1374
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,640
april when i got them without a

1375
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,960
hesitation

1376
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,920
um

1377
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,359
just because and i would i would have

1378
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,400
said i don't know if these are real or

1379
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,760
not but let's just take a look at this

1380
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:55,680
like i would have done that

1381
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,480
but

1382
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:58,559
out of respect for the individual who

1383
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:02,000
showed me those documents 13 years prior

1384
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:03,359
i

1385
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,160
and so um

1386
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,440
and then someone i don't even know the

1387
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,720
person who leaked them ultimately

1388
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:14,079
someone put them i think on a reddit

1389
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:15,040
feed and

1390
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:16,079
the next thing i know they're just

1391
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,520
starting to circulate quietly and at

1392
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,200
that moment i just i made my youtube

1393
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:20,400
video and i think that's what kind of

1394
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blew it up

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in june of 2019.

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well let's take our break right here uh

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let's we have to talk about john

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greenwald's critique of this right yeah

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01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:31,599
yeah we're going to do that i just want

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to say this look i i'm not ducking john

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but i did not want to go on i had my

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01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,559
reasons and i can go into that maybe

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01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,240
after the break yep yep yeah but we'll

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talk about that uh uh all of that next

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this is fate to black our guest tonight

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richard dolan tonight

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the wilson dock the final cut

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lots to discuss tonight yeah when we

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circle back john greenwald

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and his points that he has brought up i

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have uh reviewed all of that

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we will get to it after this short break

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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the wilson dock

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[Laughter]

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uh

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01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,280
richard did i just get the eye roll from

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01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:54,559
you yeah i did i i just got the eye roll

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the the the the massive sarcasm

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check this out uh

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01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,000
but uh but yeah um

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01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,400
uh the wilson dock is a big deal i'm

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gonna tell you right now like you i can

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01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,000
tell where you're going with this i am

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yeah you're on john's side here and

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you're both completely wrong

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01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,640
i'm on john's size 100

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01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:18,400
i'm on the side of this i'm saying this

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01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,359
here

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01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,280
and i'm going to tell you why

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01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:24,960
you go you start okay um

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01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:28,720
this is i mean john's point look and and

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01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,079
uh it's irrelevant to be to be very

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01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:35,039
documented to be very clear here all i

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01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:36,000
do

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01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:37,119
is

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01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:38,640
read everything

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01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:42,000
and and and absorb everything and then

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01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,079
just try to

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01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:47,359
understand what is going on and so to

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01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:48,319
john

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01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,000
um okay so but let me let's speaking of

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01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,760
greenwall directly

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01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:55,280
um

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01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,039
the the nro doc that he did the pre

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01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,640
presentation on

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01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:02,720
uh you should explain this yeah well

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01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,079
well uh yeah let me um there there's a

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01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:07,520
document that

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01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,920
stephen greer um uh revealed uh

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01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,079
did not it wasn't in the far distant

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01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,920
past it was uh

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in the mid 2000 uh

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01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,040
2000's done in 1991 and our document

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01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:23,759
reporting be nro and i

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01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,400
showed this to wilson and that was the

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initial document according to greer that

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01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,719
prompted wilson to go on his hunt for

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the black budget programs and john in

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01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:35,120
his recent analysis

1566
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,719
says that he proved that the document is

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a hoax

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01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,440
therefore

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01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,440
he calls it foundational

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01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,960
and that therefore

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01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,560
if that document is a hoax and

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everything else is going to be a hoax

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01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,560
and i don't understand uh uh

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01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:53,120
greenwald's definitive line in the sand

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01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,880
there but we'll come back it's a huge

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01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,560
mistake yeah we'll we'll come back to

1577
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,159
that part but

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01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,080
the document

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01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,199
is purported to be from 1991

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01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,120
um i believe i could have the dates

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01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,799
wrong i don't have a bunch of complete

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01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,400
notes in front of me but i think that

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01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:10,000
greer

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01:09:16,510 --> 01:09:14,799
first published this document in 2014

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01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,520
and uh

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01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:19,040
2013-2015 it doesn't matter he didn't

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01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:20,960
the document wasn't revealed to the

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public in 1991 or anything like that

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01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:27,279
it's recently been revealed now the

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01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:31,520
problems with the document that uh

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01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,600
john has presented um i've i

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01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,759
i have reached the the conclusion that

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01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,759
the document is bogus

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01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,560
so

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01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,560
but i don't know you should be careful

1596
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,400
about that conclusion well

1597
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,640
but let me give the reasons why

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01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:48,560
okay um

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01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,480
first off uh the the most important

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01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:54,320
there's a long list of stuff that john

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01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,000
has presented here

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01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,600
any one of them throws things off kilter

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01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:00,480
but

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01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,669
internal security act

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01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,640
um that is listed there

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01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,320
you know if you are in violation of this

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01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,960
you know use of deadly force whatever

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01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:14,080
um

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01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:15,120
the

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01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,040
that is listed in this document

1611
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:21,600
is has nothing to do with the the

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01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,560
national internal security act and and

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01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,719
stuff it has

1614
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,560
the code numbers don't match

1615
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,960
the code which is i'm looking at uh the

1616
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:32,800
restricted sign that is hanging on my

1617
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,760
wall security 21 internal security act

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01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,440
of 1950

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01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:38,719
uh

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01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,920
50 usc 797. you know that's what's on

1621
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,159
the official sign that is hanging on my

1622
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:46,719
wall what the numbers that are listed in

1623
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,360
there are something for the marine corps

1624
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,840
and and chocolate pudding not to be used

1625
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,040
in the cafeteria has nothing to do

1626
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,360
with with any kind of security breaches

1627
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,840
so that right there

1628
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,880
couldn't

1629
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:01,600
be

1630
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,040
used in this document that is a mistake

1631
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,400
and and whoever created the document

1632
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,679
obviously didn't know what they were

1633
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,440
doing there's that

1634
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,520
the second point

1635
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:16,480
forget about the richard the

1636
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:17,360
uh

1637
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:22,080
logo the air force logo it's not an nro

1638
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,760
logo nro wasn't revealed until uh

1639
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:27,440
this is painful for me to hear this

1640
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,159
right right but put that to the side

1641
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:32,480
the list though

1642
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,480
of the organizations that are included

1643
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,400
in this distribution

1644
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,760
half of them

1645
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,840
are bogus to me

1646
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:44,239
and so if you're going to go down and

1647
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,440
list what do you mean to you

1648
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:48,800
cosmic

1649
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,000
mj12 magic you know all of these

1650
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,719
triggers possibly exist trigger word

1651
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,560
they don't

1652
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,880
not under those names and you wouldn't

1653
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,800
have them on a list like this if these

1654
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,280
are the most top secret groups in the

1655
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,080
world you are going to put them all in a

1656
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,040
distribution list no no it just wouldn't

1657
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:11,840
happen that way and it's all the trigger

1658
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,600
magic words

1659
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:15,199
that uh

1660
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:16,480
you know uh

1661
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,360
uh

1662
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,440
william moore used you know this is like

1663
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,120
the dodie list

1664
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,800
and it just it smells funky to me it's

1665
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:27,920
just so let's just i'm going to stop you

1666
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,510
let's say the document is a hoax

1667
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:37,040
maybe it is

1668
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,440
a counter argument

1669
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,000
later why it may not be

1670
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:46,239
but it may be maybe john is correct here

1671
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,040
and

1672
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,880
you know it's hard for me to get into

1673
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,280
all the weeds of document analysis it's

1674
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,600
not my top expertise and i'm not going

1675
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,000
to pretend

1676
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,159
but john is making a false argument here

1677
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,159
to begin with he's making a fruit from

1678
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,000
the poisoned tree argument and it's a

1679
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,480
huge mistake right

1680
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,239
this is an important legal argument and

1681
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:08,480
we want to have this this thing legally

1682
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,840
so in other words

1683
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,280
if you know if

1684
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:13,760
law enforcement uh

1685
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,320
obtains evidence against you and it's

1686
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,159
not obtained legally there's not proper

1687
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,840
warrants and so forth

1688
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,520
any evidence that they

1689
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,360
that they get against you is not

1690
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,960
admissible in a court of law because

1691
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,320
that is fruit from the poison tree

1692
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,040
that's an important legal protection

1693
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,360
that citizens require that prevents

1694
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,199
state overreach and we want that and we

1695
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,719
need that and that's good even if that

1696
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:36,080
evidence is true

1697
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,600
all right it's not admissible anyone

1698
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,120
who's watched enough episodes of law and

1699
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,800
order has seen that a million times

1700
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,120
can't use that jack fine that's fruit

1701
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,760
from a poison tree this is absolutely

1702
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,840
irrelevant when we're talking about

1703
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,320
historical analysis for several reasons

1704
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,400
first of all

1705
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,800
it is john who's making this argument

1706
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,719
that the nro document is foundational to

1707
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,560
everyone no maybe greer's making the

1708
01:14:00,709 --> 01:14:00,080
argument because it's ingrained interest

1709
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,719
to

1710
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:02,960
pump up the importance of this document

1711
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,760
but it's absolutely not true to say that

1712
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:08,239
the nro document is why thomas wilson

1713
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,360
went on his

1714
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,280
two-month hunt

1715
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,520
when you read the davis notes the nro

1716
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,360
document's not mentioned at all no one

1717
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,199
talks about it wilson doesn't talk about

1718
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,040
it to davis davis doesn't bring it up no

1719
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,640
one talks about it

1720
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,320
edgar mitchell in his interviews never

1721
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,159
brought it up either and by the way

1722
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,679
mitchell's testimony is vastly more

1723
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:27,679
important than anything that you know

1724
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,679
this nro document represents you've got

1725
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,000
mitchell multiple times

1726
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,840
in the first decade of this century

1727
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:35,120
stating

1728
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,920
that

1729
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,120
wilson

1730
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:39,199
went looking for these programs he

1731
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,320
actually talked about he didn't use

1732
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,600
wilson's name but he talked about the

1733
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:43,199
admiral it was obvious what he's talking

1734
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,800
about

1735
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,560
but the fact is

1736
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:48,159
you know john's saying wilson would

1737
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,440
never have

1738
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,600
uh accepted this you know he would have

1739
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,199
known this as fake

1740
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,640
how was he to say that wilson would have

1741
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,679
known this

1742
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,440
you don't know that wilson wasn't a

1743
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,120
professional bureaucrat

1744
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:01,040
wilson was a navy man he's put into the

1745
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,159
position as

1746
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:04,080
deputy head of uh intelligence for the

1747
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:05,600
joint chiefs

1748
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,800
and he gets this statement from greer

1749
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,199
he was clearly interested in the ufo

1750
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,880
subject we have this as a statement from

1751
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,080
will miller we have a statement from

1752
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,840
where we have statement from mitchell

1753
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:18,080
that wilson was into this

1754
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,520
all right

1755
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:21,520
and by the way well i only get ahead of

1756
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:22,719
myself

1757
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:23,679
so

1758
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,920
i don't understand why why people are

1759
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,000
accepting this argument that this is

1760
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,920
foundational to everything else no i

1761
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,840
don't think it's foundation absolutely

1762
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:38,640
irrelevant there's nothing it has no

1763
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,880
relevancy toward wilson's search

1764
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,560
you know and when he's talking to davis

1765
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,560
in the notes

1766
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,840
how does he get his information he's

1767
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,840
talking to retired secretary of defense

1768
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,280
william perry

1769
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,600
and he's talking to other uh former

1770
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,360
members of the senior review review

1771
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,280
group in the pentagon who have knowledge

1772
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,520
of this that's what he's telling davis

1773
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:01,760
well there's no mention of the nro

1774
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:05,040
document anywhere so it's clearly not

1775
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,560
that important

1776
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,360
well it's i i i i

1777
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,590
the wilson davis dock is dated uh 1016

1778
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:19,760
2002 correct

1779
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,080
that's right okay

1780
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,560
greer didn't produce this document until

1781
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:27,120
2014.

1782
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:28,080
the

1783
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,000
it would have been produced by greer

1784
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:40,159
a long time ago who are you to talk for

1785
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:41,600
stephen greer why don't you ask him

1786
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:42,400
yourself

1787
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,320
but my point is i think the nro document

1788
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,840
is is is fake and is is not a real

1789
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,840
document it's not an authentic document

1790
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,679
therefore i'm going to i'm going to jump

1791
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,600
in here but but no let me finish let me

1792
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:57,120
finish because what you're saying may

1793
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,840
not be true okay it actually may not be

1794
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,280
true okay

1795
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:03,360
but let's say let's just let me get my

1796
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:04,400
thought out

1797
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:07,679
right the document didn't exist

1798
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,800
for stephen greer to show wilson in 1997

1799
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:14,560
it didn't exist

1800
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,000
it didn't therefore it didn't cause

1801
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,880
wilson to go on his goose chase wait

1802
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,080
wait what do you think the document

1803
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:24,640
didn't exist in 1997 i i just don't

1804
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,760
think that it did i ever why it's dated

1805
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,560
it's purportedly it's dated july 1991 it

1806
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:33,520
could say 1963. i don't give a crap it

1807
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:36,880
did it didn't exist in 1991 it's a fake

1808
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,880
document so it didn't cause wilson to do

1809
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,199
that greer obviously had it in 97 when

1810
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,560
he showed it to wilson no that's who

1811
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,320
i'm saying he didn't

1812
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,480
no maybe he didn't right i'm telling him

1813
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,040
maybe actually he didn't now i mean it's

1814
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:54,800
only greer who's saying that he showed

1815
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,719
it that is correct yeah so

1816
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,320
so then wilson would have gone on his

1817
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,480
wild goose chase for some other reason

1818
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,120
that had nothing to do with the document

1819
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,719
so why are we even talking about this

1820
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,880
nro document how is it even relevant to

1821
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:11,040
the conversation i am what i am say

1822
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,480
exactly

1823
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,960
yeah i don't understand the connection

1824
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,560
evidence that the whole thing is a hoax

1825
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,280
okay so let's let's back up

1826
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,040
let me uh

1827
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,920
state my position i believe that uh

1828
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,400
greenwald is absolutely correct and

1829
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,679
effective i don't think anybody

1830
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,080
understands documents more than steve

1831
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:32,880
than uh john greenwald there may be

1832
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,000
people who do right right but uh i have

1833
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,719
john is john is an expert but no one is

1834
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,040
the final word particularly when you are

1835
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,920
dealing with the labyrinthian

1836
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,520
situation of the united states

1837
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:46,880
intelligence community in the black

1838
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,640
budget world and wave programs and

1839
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,040
carved out programs all right there's a

1840
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:53,520
lot that is not known sure

1841
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,480
but uh in support of your position

1842
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:58,159
that uh

1843
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,040
uh

1844
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,239
this nro document

1845
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,400
shouldn't be tied to or be foundational

1846
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,719
to this i'm taking it a step further

1847
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:08,880
it's not only not foundational it has

1848
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,000
nothing to do with the wilson davis dock

1849
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,239
wilson never saw the document it didn't

1850
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,360
exist it was only published in 2014 and

1851
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,600
if it was that important and that reel

1852
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,360
and that authentic stephen greer would

1853
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,159
have been waving this around a long time

1854
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,800
ago he maybe you should ask greer i mean

1855
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,760
i don't know if you get a straight

1856
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:29,360
answer or not but you should i don't i

1857
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,480
don't know if i would make that

1858
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,400
inference that you were making but i do

1859
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,719
agree with you that the nro document is

1860
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,800
completely irrelevant and

1861
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,120
you know i like john thinks i may be mad

1862
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,199
at him i'm not mad at john greenwald

1863
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,199
i've known john for 20 years i've

1864
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,159
respected him i like him

1865
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,719
and i did not want to he said well dolan

1866
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,320
blew me off for my show look i didn't

1867
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,640
want to do it because honestly

1868
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,760
john

1869
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,520
i respect him

1870
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:57,840
but on this matter

1871
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,880
i feel he is absolutely obstinate to the

1872
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:03,440
point of like mystification here i don't

1873
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,400
understand it and i've not i don't

1874
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:08,000
believe that i'm it's going to be

1875
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,440
anything other than a pissing match and

1876
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,800
i'm just not interested in doing that

1877
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,400
with him mm-hmm

1878
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,000
i don't want to do it

1879
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,239
now maybe he can come onto my show maybe

1880
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:18,080
he can come onto my channel maybe that's

1881
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:19,360
what we'll do

1882
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,239
um

1883
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,159
i'm not i'm not opposed to talking with

1884
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,480
john but i don't want to make this

1885
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,440
like because i just i don't he says that

1886
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:29,520
he is open to all options i don't

1887
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:31,040
believe that that is the case because

1888
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,400
he's never been he's been hostile to

1889
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,480
this from the beginning and i just don't

1890
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:35,600
think that

1891
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,440
and now he's he's latching on to this

1892
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,280
nro thing as if it's a legitimate

1893
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,040
argument what does that tell you

1894
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,800
it's not a legitimate argument to make

1895
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,480
against the authenticity of these davis

1896
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,400
notes it's irrelevant

1897
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,159
why is he making it a big thing why is

1898
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,000
this some foundational

1899
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,239
thing it's not foundational having said

1900
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,159
that i'm just going to mention this on

1901
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:56,400
my website richard allen members one

1902
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,199
cool thing that we've got is a forum

1903
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:01,280
the reason that this is amazing because

1904
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,480
i'll tell you right now the people who

1905
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,360
are members of my site i've got

1906
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:07,600
way more brain power than i've got

1907
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,639
all right

1908
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,639
i don't know how i got to be so lucky

1909
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:12,719
i've got brilliant genius level people

1910
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,840
hanging out there and the forum is their

1911
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,280
opportunity

1912
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,159
to dish out their own research to argue

1913
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,239
we've got moderators it's closed it's

1914
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:24,159
usually polite not always but people do

1915
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,360
their best

1916
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,440
and there's been a whole threat

1917
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:30,080
on john's analysis here

1918
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,040
all right

1919
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,440
now these people who are commenting

1920
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,760
go go deeper than i would go

1921
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,280
and by the way there's there's at least

1922
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:38,800
one guy who's defending john on this

1923
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,360
thread on my site but there's very very

1924
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:43,040
strong critiques as well

1925
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,159
and i don't know if i want to go into

1926
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,159
the whole thing here because there's

1927
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,719
some long ones i'm looking at them but

1928
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:50,719
suffice to say

1929
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,760
that

1930
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,840
his argument is not necessarily the

1931
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,679
final word and i'm just gonna i could

1932
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,040
leave it at that or i can read some of

1933
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,920
these uh counter arguments against him

1934
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:01,760
but the point is

1935
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,880
there are intelligent informed

1936
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,120
knowledgeable people who have experience

1937
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:08,880
in the classified world who are not

1938
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:10,960
buying what john is saying here

1939
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:13,840
it's not the final word necessarily he

1940
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,880
may be right in the long run but to just

1941
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:19,040
say like what happens is people are i

1942
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,320
think are intimidated when john

1943
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,719
greenwald leaves mr foyer everyone knows

1944
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,800
he's got the black fault no one wants to

1945
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,360
argue with john on documents i get it i

1946
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,800
don't want to argue with john on

1947
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:29,920
documents

1948
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,560
right there are people who are able to

1949
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,560
and whether they are right or wrong i do

1950
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,040
not know but i do know that there are

1951
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,320
intelligent highly

1952
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,159
articulate

1953
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:43,920
counter arguments to what he's saying

1954
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,800
about that particular document

1955
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,880
having said all of that

1956
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,880
his whole fruit from the poisoned tree

1957
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,719
argument about this does not apply to

1958
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,280
historical research it's totally wrong

1959
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,199
he's totally wrong to bring this up it

1960
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,320
is not foundational to eric davis's

1961
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,159
notes because there's actually no

1962
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,080
evidence as you have pointed out and i

1963
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,760
agree with you that thomas wilson even

1964
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,760
saw the damn document we have stephen

1965
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,199
greer saying that it was a big deal

1966
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,199
that's all we got wilson actually made

1967
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:12,960
no statement in those notes that davis

1968
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,760
wrote there is no reason to believe

1969
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,679
that the the document that greer

1970
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,520
purportedly showed wilson

1971
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:21,520
was um

1972
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,120
was the thing that that triggered maybe

1973
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,440
maybe it helped him find one program

1974
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,520
maybe it didn't according to the notes

1975
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:31,840
that davis wrote wilson found four

1976
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,040
special access programs buried

1977
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,440
that led to that had to do he said with

1978
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:40,239
et or something related to ufos and that

1979
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,120
he spoke directly to the program manager

1980
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,280
the security manager and the corporate

1981
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,800
attorney of one

1982
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,320
of those four programs and that's when

1983
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,480
he got blown off

1984
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,719
you know so that's

1985
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,719
all that's in the notes but none of that

1986
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,280
refers to the nro document

1987
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,080
so it's a it's a huge mistake to make

1988
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:02,480
this nro document

1989
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,199
uh

1990
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,120
some kind of foundational say i have

1991
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,040
never said it's foundational

1992
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:09,120
i i may have mentioned that greer had it

1993
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,159
but

1994
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,520
there's no

1995
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,120
case to be made that

1996
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,440
this nro document has any relevancy

1997
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:16,880
whatsoever

1998
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:20,320
to anything else that followed so um uh

1999
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,360
so we

2000
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,760
my conclusion and we can move on from

2001
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,520
this there's too many other things too

2002
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,800
there's other things we want to get into

2003
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:27,760
yeah

2004
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:30,320
you know i just think that uh i i don't

2005
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,920
think the document is real i don't think

2006
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,320
it has any relevancy to

2007
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,159
uh the wilson davis dock i don't

2008
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,440
understand the connection um i don't uh

2009
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,520
greenwald laid out his case

2010
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,080
here's the thing so the phrase nro was

2011
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,280
an open secret after 1971 and it was the

2012
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,440
the acronym nro was actually

2013
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,239
declassified in 1979

2014
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:54,239
correct except the ackermann was acronym

2015
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,199
was used the us air force was used as a

2016
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:59,600
cover for the nro

2017
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,239
all right so it is it's

2018
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,159
according to the analysis that i've got

2019
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:06,000
here it is just false to insinuate

2020
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,679
otherwise the air force

2021
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,239
was there on those documents

2022
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,880
and uh the the the type there's one

2023
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:14,880
minor typo on that document that is true

2024
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:17,760
where it says as per the espionage act

2025
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,440
and it says 330 usc 31 and 32 it should

2026
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:23,440
read 50 usc

2027
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,120
which is what i have on 50 usc 797

2028
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,400
uh section 21 um which

2029
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,840
doesn't have anything to do with

2030
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,040
chocolate pudding in the marine

2031
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,560
cafeterias um but anyway moving on uh

2032
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:37,600
richard

2033
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:38,560
um

2034
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,520
specifically there's one

2035
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,880
are we talking about the nro documents

2036
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,880
no we're talking about wilson and nro's

2037
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,360
off the table it's bogus fine it's bogus

2038
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,120
that was a waste of time yeah

2039
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,760
yep yep yep yep yep yep yeah

2040
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,920
greenwald i think successfully presented

2041
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,000
his case it's a hoax document that's my

2042
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,000
that's my conclusion the problem though

2043
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:09,110
he's using an irrelevant document to try

2044
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:10,000
to

2045
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:14,400
these notes no my point why why why

2046
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,199
bother doing that richard my point has

2047
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,600
nothing to do with greenwald

2048
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:21,520
has everything to do with the document

2049
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:24,400
itself and that's that distribution list

2050
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:27,679
the fantasy who was that guy

2051
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,560
uh

2052
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,560
who was that guy that's why

2053
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,960
why is this relevant like you're giving

2054
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,480
you're giving

2055
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:36,719
space to this as well like it this is

2056
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,040
not a legit argument to make against

2057
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,679
the edge davis's notes no has nothing to

2058
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,600
do with davis's notes we're just we're

2059
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,320
just wasting up valuable air here yes we

2060
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:48,159
are 100

2061
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:49,360
yeah

2062
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,159
that's why i love this guy i swear okay

2063
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,320
so moving on what was that guy's name

2064
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:55,920
that um

2065
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:58,800
surfaced uh said that he worked at area

2066
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,159
51 and he was part of mj 12

2067
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,480
um and he was a doctor

2068
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:05,760
um

2069
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,120
uh he started with a b yeah danny cream

2070
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:11,840
yeah burst that that distribution list

2071
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:18,950
i said it

2072
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,400
um is this though this is when why is it

2073
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,880
that um i think that uh the wilson davis

2074
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,760
dock

2075
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,320
is is so important and so cool and i've

2076
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,719
read it through it so many times

2077
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:35,920
why

2078
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:39,679
eric davis

2079
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,159
put off kitt green

2080
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,560
or anybody else

2081
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,320
come out because it doesn't i don't

2082
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,840
think it has anything to do with the

2083
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,400
security oath i don't think it is listen

2084
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:53,280
hold on um this is my opinion

2085
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:54,560
why

2086
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,920
here's the thing no i don't understand

2087
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,760
why this is difficult for some people to

2088
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:01,040
get this

2089
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,000
all right

2090
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,840
all of those people

2091
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,560
green put off davis they all still have

2092
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,880
active security clearances for the next

2093
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:11,840
two years they're going to be dead

2094
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:14,159
you know i mean what does it even matter

2095
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,760
they've all got active security

2096
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:16,880
clearances

2097
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:19,920
and for them this is an embarrassment

2098
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:23,040
for them wow and i know this for a fact

2099
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:28,870
one

2100
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:34,880
that mitchell he was mad at edgar

2101
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,840
mitchell said why the hell did mitchell

2102
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,679
not take care of that stuff

2103
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,600
he let this thing out

2104
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,159
and and there was anger

2105
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,800
and the whole point is that look

2106
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:48,480
yeah these are private notes but they

2107
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,760
refer to highly sensitive

2108
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:54,239
highly sensitive operations

2109
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,120
right

2110
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,800
these notes by eric davis are not

2111
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:58,400
official government documents that's

2112
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:59,360
true

2113
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:00,719
all right

2114
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,400
but they are a conversation with a

2115
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:06,719
high-level government official

2116
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:07,520
who's

2117
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:11,440
saying i was denied access to a e.t

2118
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,520
reverse engineering you know ufo

2119
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,360
programming holy

2120
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,280
crap right so

2121
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:19,679
and the fact that if if they are

2122
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,960
implicated in the leak of that that does

2123
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,800
not look good for them

2124
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,320
davis right now is working for a company

2125
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,159
called aerospace that which is a

2126
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,880
successor to trw and hughes aircraft and

2127
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,719
they're probably working on reverse

2128
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,440
engineering for all i know probably

2129
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,520
he's certainly working on classified

2130
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:39,280
programs

2131
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,000
like

2132
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,400
this is a bad thing for him for this to

2133
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,400
to come out

2134
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,320
and and for put off as well it's

2135
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,920
embarrassing and for kid green it's

2136
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:49,760
embarrassing for all of them

2137
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,360
embarrassing but you're not going to

2138
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,800
prison you're not going to lose your

2139
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,199
security clearance over somebody's 20

2140
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,719
year old notes

2141
01:30:02,709 --> 01:29:59,280
it's terrible they are terrified i don't

2142
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,719
know i i i i don't understand why and

2143
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,080
you're trying to think for them but you

2144
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,560
know if you go talk to these people

2145
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:08,480
they are

2146
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:14,080
maybe they're ultra ultra ultra careful

2147
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,520
about their names getting out this i

2148
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:17,360
know for a fact

2149
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:18,080
so

2150
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:19,360
but

2151
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,800
richard seriously the notes are out you

2152
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,360
can't put the ketchup i begged

2153
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:29,600
i like if i was in person i would have

2154
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:32,080
been on my knees hands clapped together

2155
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,280
begging

2156
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:34,880
these individuals

2157
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,520
to make a statement if the government

2158
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:40,000
if the government came down uh i

2159
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:41,600
remember saying this to you a few years

2160
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:43,920
ago uh on a phone call but if the

2161
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:45,679
government came down and put off or kick

2162
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,040
green or eric davis for saying yeah i

2163
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:51,360
wrote the document yes the documentary

2164
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:54,080
um if anything were to happen to any of

2165
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,120
them

2166
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,159
then the document is real and we have

2167
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,000
crash flying saucers and we're back

2168
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,520
where the government's not going to do

2169
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:03,679
crap to anybody

2170
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:06,560
to authenticate this document there's

2171
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,040
something easy for you to say for them

2172
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:10,800
like they're the ones on the hot seat

2173
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:13,440
could you imagine if the government came

2174
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:16,000
down on put off and said you're not

2175
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,440
supposed to speak about this this is

2176
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:19,760
highly what ufos little green men

2177
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:22,639
backwards engineering is classified so

2178
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,719
therefore it's real

2179
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:27,120
it would be the biggest there would be a

2180
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,440
religion called put off

2181
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:31,120
a hundred years from now look do you

2182
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,159
think do you think i did not say such

2183
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:36,080
similar things to the some of these

2184
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:38,719
people privately i'm sure you did i did

2185
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:39,920
indeed

2186
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:43,120
i talked about legacy i talked about

2187
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,719
and the thing i have to mention this so

2188
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,400
i'm not going to mention specific names

2189
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,560
here but because i talked to a number of

2190
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:50,480
these folks

2191
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,920
a number of them and i'm going to tell

2192
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,760
you every single one they all know it's

2193
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:55,199
real

2194
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:59,600
to me yes of course i'm not giving names

2195
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,400
here

2196
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,960
but i'm just saying in general

2197
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,719
that whole crowd of course they know

2198
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:06,000
it's real

2199
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:07,520
but they are

2200
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,480
like

2201
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:10,320
i would have thought once this came out

2202
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,679
they would throw up their hands and say

2203
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,280
well yeah you got us but they didn't do

2204
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:15,840
it they doubled down

2205
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:18,400
and so this is where we are

2206
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,080
and by the way davis obviously is the

2207
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,000
author read the alien autopsy email

2208
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,239
thread all right so davis

2209
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:26,080
you look at the writing davis loves

2210
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:28,800
parentheses he loves little slashes and

2211
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,120
these little special punctuation it's in

2212
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,199
his email thread on the alien autopsy

2213
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:35,440
email it's all over the his notes with

2214
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wilson

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it's clearly davis's writing

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like it's not that difficult frankly to

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01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:44,159
come do it a linguistic comparison of

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the two and you're like oh yeah that's

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eric davis

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of course that's how he writes

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let's take care of you here's hey here's

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john like really it was almost implying

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at one point in his uh statement he

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actually did wonder if davis like was

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01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,600
making this up as a script uh somehow to

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impress robert bigelow i'm like are you

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01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:04,080
kidding me man like

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seriously and then implying by the way

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that davis and put off are just uh

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silently trolling the rest of the world

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01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,639
like huh you know letting letting us

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01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,480
just spin our wheels like as if that's

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what they do

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01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,400
uh that's actually almost sounded

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01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,639
insulting to me to them and i i think

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01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:22,159
it's almost demeaning to them and it's

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not how they are at all

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they're not trolls to the public put off

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is not a troll and neither is davis by

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the way these are serious men

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let's take our break right here we got

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we got to get this in richard dolan is

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our guest

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the wilson dock the final cut more with

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richard after the short break stay with

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:46,320
our guest tonight richard bleep and

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01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:52,310
talking about the wilson docks the final

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01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:53,520
cut

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01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:57,360
and uh now this this is uh richard

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01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,639
richard ar

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01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,719
are you with me are you there

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01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,480
right here richard was putting on his

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01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:04,719
hair products nobody can see you man i

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01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:05,600
was

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01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:09,840
thought your hair looked pretty good

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01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,960
and then he

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01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:13,600
he did this he did this everybody who's

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01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:20,870
so okay all right all right

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01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,840
um

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01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,360
richard

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01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:25,280
yes i'm just gonna i'm just gonna i'm

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01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,880
gonna go direct and and and i know that

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01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,080
uh

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01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:31,840
this is something that because i know

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01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,400
the answer to this i do

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01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:36,639
uh but i've kept it uh

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01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,840
confidential per your request over the

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01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,360
last few years

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01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:43,679
um

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01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:47,280
who showed you the doc in 2007-2006

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01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:48,800
i'm i'm not going to answer that all

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01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:51,520
right like i'm just not going to do it

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01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,189
how can you prove it

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01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,440
here's how i can prove it

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01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:05,040
um

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01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,199
i did a radio interview on july 1st

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01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,430
on the paracast with gene steinberg

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01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:17,119
a lot of people remember gene

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01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:18,639
she might still be doing this but jean

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01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:21,040
was is very active

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01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,560
quite a few shows with him back in those

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01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:24,639
days pretty good troublemaker i might

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01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,800
add he was he was good yeah yeah he was

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01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:28,239
good he was good he ran some good

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01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,760
interviews yes he did

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01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:31,040
so

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01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,639
on that interview

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01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:35,119
july 1st 2000 my birthday i was

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01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:37,040
well wow a lot young i had nice dark

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01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,400
hair back then

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01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:40,719
so back in those time this was about a

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01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,629
and it was after i had had my

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01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,639
conversation with thomas wilson in

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01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,719
november of 06 because i called wilson i

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01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,560
had a whole phone conversation with him

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01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,880
then and he got kind of mad and ended

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01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:57,040
the conversation early i've talked about

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01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,560
that a few times

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01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,159
i had communicated with edgar mitchell

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01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,000
by then i'd communicated with steven

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01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,920
gerber then actually too and and a few

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01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:05,920
other folks and my contact who had shown

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01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:08,639
me the notes so i was all these people

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01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,760
and so what i did in 07

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01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:13,920
i talked quite a lot about wilson's

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01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,639
denial of access okay let me let me jump

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01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:19,679
in um what what give you my proof no no

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01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,639
hold on uh what two pages were you shown

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01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:23,760
do you

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01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,239
yes well one of the the phrase that i've

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01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:28,719
always remembered was not of this earth

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01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,600
not made by man not by human hands

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01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:33,360
and what what page is that in the

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01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,480
document

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01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,159
uh that's toward the end this page 12 or

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01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,400
13 i think okay i'm gonna i'm just gonna

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01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:40,239
pull that up okay continue

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01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,119
yeah

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01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,119
so that was one of the pages i was shown

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01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,520
and uh of course as you can imagine like

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01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,520
it resonated with me that's a very

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01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,080
powerful thing now when i was shown

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01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:51,920
these notes

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01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:54,639
i was not allowed to photograph them

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01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:56,080
i was not allowed to take notes in front

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01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:57,440
of them you know if i pushed a little

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01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,719
harder maybe i could have taken notes

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01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,639
but i i didn't and i

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01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:03,440
so it was all memory but it was that was

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01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,440
lodged in my memory that

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01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:07,199
that statement

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01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:08,800
so now here i am

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01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,199
on july 1st 2007 i'm talking with with

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01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,679
steinberg on the paracast

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01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,040
and i want

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01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:17,119
some listener to find this this exists

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01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,480
on the web because i've listened to it

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01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:20,719
the audio quality is not great but it's

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01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,840
there

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01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:23,600
and just before break midway into the

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01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,639
show

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01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:26,000
we're talking about wilson i'm

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01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,600
mentioning him by name

2434
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:29,199
talking about the whole thing things

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01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,040
that i'd learned

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01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,880
from my source

2437
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:34,320
and other things

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01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,119
and i used the phrase

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01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,119
not of this earth not bait not made by

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01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,679
man not by human hands

2441
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,679
i use that phrase there's no way in hell

2442
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,960
i'm ever going to come up with that out

2443
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:46,800
of out of the blue

2444
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:47,760
i was

2445
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,159
specifically referring i didn't say that

2446
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,000
it referred to those notes

2447
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:53,760
because i was trying to protect

2448
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,239
the source who showed them to me but i

2449
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:58,159
was being i was being a little cute

2450
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:01,199
there and i wanted that phrase in there

2451
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,000
and

2452
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,760
i used that phrase

2453
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,280
right before the break

2454
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,600
someone can find this

2455
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,760
july 1st 2007 interview i did with gene

2456
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,000
steinberg of the power cast and i i

2457
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,480
maintained that that is absolute proof

2458
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,080
that i was shown that document when i

2459
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,920
said i was shown it there's no way i

2460
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:19,760
could have known that phrase otherwise

2461
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,360
yeah the line is on page 13 and uh the

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01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,400
note is

2463
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:27,119
why i ask where did it come from the

2464
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,239
answer

2465
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,239
program manager said they didn't know

2466
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:33,119
where it was from they had some idea on

2467
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:34,560
this parentheses

2468
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:37,840
it was technology that was not of this

2469
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,320
earth not made by man not by human hands

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01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,320
right there it is it's right there it's

2471
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,880
page 13. so i used that i used a version

2472
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,639
of that phrase i didn't get it exactly

2473
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:50,560
right because remember i didn't have the

2474
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,480
document in front of me i'd only seen it

2475
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:54,639
the one time but i

2476
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:56,800
quoted it accurately enough and anyone

2477
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:59,280
who listens to that will hear it and it

2478
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:00,880
was right before the break

2479
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,040
now um a couple of things about that

2480
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,600
page 13 okay did you have

2481
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:08,400
two consecutive pages like 13 and 14 or

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01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:11,360
12 and 30. remember honestly because the

2483
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:14,560
thing was this was all totally new to me

2484
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,800
the most important thing

2485
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:18,960
for me on that meeting

2486
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:21,520
was how this individual

2487
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,199
explained to me what had happened

2488
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,960
okay explain

2489
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,560
he didn't give wilson's name he didn't

2490
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,960
give the name of

2491
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:33,440
anyone uh he didn't even give i don't i

2492
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:34,800
can't remember if he even mentioned

2493
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,840
greer it's possible he did eric davis

2494
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,280
was he mentioned no no he did not

2495
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:40,960
mention davis by name either because

2496
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,000
eric davis's name or thomas wilson it's

2497
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:46,320
just their initials on these pages it's

2498
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,119
ewd no i wasn't i wasn't even swift

2499
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,840
enough like i wasn't seeing it

2500
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,520
and i only i only had a short period of

2501
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:55,280
time with those with a couple of the

2502
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,480
pages i was not given carte blanche i

2503
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:00,320
mean i have to be very explicit about

2504
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,560
that but i was shown enough

2505
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,199
and i was given the fundamental story

2506
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:07,280
that this man this powerful man that

2507
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,639
wasn't given his name

2508
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,040
was denied access to a reverse

2509
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,520
engineering um program having to do with

2510
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,480
ufos and e.t i was given the basic

2511
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:18,000
fundamental

2512
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,800
uh

2513
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:20,639
narrative of that

2514
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,430
i can't i wish i could remember if it

2515
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,440
was two or three pages and i i cannot it

2516
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,280
was two or three pages

2517
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,080
but one of the pages was that

2518
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:35,119
page that you just quoted page 13.

2519
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:36,639
the

2520
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,000
let's talk about a few specific things

2521
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:42,159
in this document

2522
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:44,960
you you know the document as well as as

2523
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,600
probably anybody uh probably better than

2524
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,520
eric davis at this point no it's

2525
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,440
probably not true i mean i i know it

2526
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:52,639
fairly well

2527
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,360
but

2528
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,280
yes we can i can talk we can get into

2529
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:57,119
the weeds here yeah let's let's get into

2530
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,440
the weeds and i mean the reason why i

2531
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:00,880
bring up eric david when was the last

2532
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:03,520
time you know he's read this document

2533
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,159
right what i'm saying is that today

2534
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,400
enough people have studied this document

2535
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,800
that know it really well probably better

2536
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:12,560
than eric davis because

2537
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:14,719
it was written almost 20 years ago

2538
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:17,840
so but but that being said there are a

2539
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,639
lot of nuggets in here

2540
01:46:23,149 --> 01:46:22,080
that are

2541
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,159
uh

2542
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:24,960
cross-referenceable

2543
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,000
arcane things yes yes yes yes so for you

2544
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,560
what stands out uh let's go down the

2545
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:35,280
list as i want to go to the page 15.

2546
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,679
let's go to the last page okay

2547
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,560
last page

2548
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:42,320
and this gets lost in the shuffle but

2549
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:44,000
this is actually really interesting to

2550
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,760
me so you've got the name mary elizabeth

2551
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,199
elliott on there

2552
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:49,040
and you have the name jeffrey griffith

2553
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,800
on there

2554
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:52,080
all right

2555
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:52,960
now

2556
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,080
actually i don't even have it in front

2557
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:56,480
of me but i do i do

2558
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,000
yeah

2559
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,239
so what's there is

2560
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,840
a statement about

2561
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:02,719
her

2562
01:47:06,830 --> 01:47:05,280
experience with t she was a trw that's

2563
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:06,840
connected in there

2564
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,080
right and her lawyer jeffrey griffith

2565
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:12,159
that she had some sort of ufo related

2566
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,760
issue that caused her to seek the help

2567
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,600
of lawyer jeffrey griffith

2568
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,960
now i've i've got a couple of people

2569
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,960
working on this stuff with me i'm not

2570
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,719
doing this alone

2571
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:23,440
and we've been hunting that like who is

2572
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,440
mary elizabeth who's this lady who was

2573
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:27,679
jeffrey griffith

2574
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:30,080
well that's really interesting stuff so

2575
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,719
they are they're obviously real people

2576
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:34,159
and

2577
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,159
i don't know what actually happened with

2578
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,040
mary elizabeth elliot we we suspect she

2579
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:40,960
may have worked at trw she may have

2580
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:44,080
learned she either had a powerful ufo

2581
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:45,360
encounter

2582
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:48,480
which jeffrey griffith wrote about

2583
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:51,600
or she learned about

2584
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,239
uh a ufo program within trw that's a

2585
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,239
possibility to me as well i don't know

2586
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:58,320
which of those is actually the case but

2587
01:48:01,990 --> 01:48:00,159
whatever it was it caused her to seek

2588
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:02,000
the help of her lawyer jeffrey griffith

2589
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,280
now the thing about jeffrey griffith

2590
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,920
that's so interesting to me

2591
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,440
you go back a little more than 20 years

2592
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,600
in ufo magazine

2593
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:10,880
all right which was published by bill

2594
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:13,119
burns run and by don and vicky ecker

2595
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:14,880
back in those days

2596
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:18,560
uh in the late 90s there was a series of

2597
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,560
three articles in different issues

2598
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,159
written by us

2599
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,840
author under the pseudonym sedge masters

2600
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,760
this is a fascinating series of articles

2601
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,040
one of the most interesting things ufo

2602
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:32,800
mag ever put out in my opinion

2603
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:35,600
fictionalized

2604
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:39,119
portrayal of a crash retrieval program

2605
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:41,119
written by someone who seemed to have

2606
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:42,880
hey you know if he's making it up he did

2607
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:44,480
a good job

2608
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,320
and he went under the pseudonym of sedge

2609
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,760
masters

2610
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,159
now what's interesting in that

2611
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,760
is well what i'm just going to say is

2612
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,760
sedge masters is jeffrey griffiths i'm

2613
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,679
like i'll say that with 99

2614
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,080
i don't know for 100 but

2615
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,639
everything lines up the author bio

2616
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,960
jeffrey griffith's bio and most

2617
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:04,159
critically

2618
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:07,600
in that series of articles

2619
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,679
um there's a description of a ufo and

2620
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:11,840
underwater ufo coming from catalina

2621
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,280
island to the southern west coast

2622
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,960
of california

2623
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:18,880
object comes out of the water flies over

2624
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:20,719
these people they're in a sports car

2625
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,119
they chase after it and they're

2626
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:26,320
they're stopped by a strange policeman

2627
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,679
they say

2628
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,280
who says get off here you're on private

2629
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,679
property and and so what's interesting

2630
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:32,960
is that this is

2631
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,520
almost verbatim the point by point

2632
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,800
written by the sedge masters

2633
01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:41,360
piece as well as jeffrey griffith

2634
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,480
if you go to

2635
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:45,440
waterufo.net this is run by the late

2636
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:48,480
carl find that story is in there

2637
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:50,960
it's point by point to me there's no

2638
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:53,040
question that this is the same guy now

2639
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,840
what's

2640
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:55,440
interesting here

2641
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,480
is that

2642
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,719
that's like that is such an arcane

2643
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,239
little fact

2644
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,510
the fact that trw is involved like i

2645
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,320
find somehow mary elizabeth elliott

2646
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:10,960
connected with trw there's some kind of

2647
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,760
ufo truth that's in that little

2648
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:15,520
statement in there

2649
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:16,880
that

2650
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:20,159
and you know i have to wonder what is

2651
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:21,840
eric davis doing over at aerospace corp

2652
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,320
aerospace corp is a

2653
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,719
is what trw became

2654
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:29,360
now let me uh this is a coincidence yeah

2655
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:32,239
just for reference here uh this is what

2656
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:33,199
uh

2657
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:39,520
page 15

2658
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,920
which is this is uh eric davis he says

2659
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:44,320
keep for private personal research data

2660
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:46,239
collection to track down the story and

2661
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,679
ascertain

2662
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:50,159
signal noise in media and from

2663
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:53,199
government sources will keep mouth shut

2664
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:57,679
etc etc todd wilson about mary elizabeth

2665
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:00,560
elliott trw story

2666
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:04,960
ingo's story in 1974 rv a remote viewer

2667
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:07,199
woman who went to wright-patterson air

2668
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:10,000
force base trying to make connection

2669
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,679
yeah those are two separate stories

2670
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:13,520
that's right and then thomas wilson

2671
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,360
replies feedback

2672
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,080
mary elliott sounds like real deal based

2673
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,719
on their info and behavior with attorney

2674
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:22,960
jeffrey w griffith

2675
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,599
and then there's some subtext here

2676
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:28,320
a probably will only come totally clean

2677
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,719
on her deathbed 30 years from now very

2678
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:32,960
interesting point

2679
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,880
b don't know about ingo axelrod or rv or

2680
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,119
woman at wright-patterson air force base

2681
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,119
doesn't have the info on their stories

2682
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,199
from sources yeah think about the

2683
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,960
axelrod reference by the way all of this

2684
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,199
makes perfect sense if this all came

2685
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,239
from the ned's crowd which it did

2686
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,560
axelradus ingo swan's thing who was

2687
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:54,880
ingo's boss that's hal put off they all

2688
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:57,119
knew about the axelrod story the axelrod

2689
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:58,719
story by the way it's fascinating story

2690
01:52:06,550 --> 01:51:59,360
i

2691
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:06,560
was well well known

2692
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,480
to that whole crowd so all of that is

2693
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:10,639
that's logical conversation that you

2694
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,840
would expect

2695
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,560
with the davis putt-off kit green

2696
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,800
column kelleher you know eric davis

2697
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,239
crowd like

2698
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,000
about robert bigelow like they would all

2699
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,080
know that edgar mitchell would know that

2700
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:24,639
because they're they're all friends

2701
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,480
and put off obviously knew it the best

2702
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,880
because he worked with ingo

2703
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,960
and he clearly was

2704
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:32,960
happily telling all of his colleagues

2705
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:34,560
about it so they all knew

2706
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:35,599
so yeah they're going to talk with

2707
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,440
wilson about that why not because that's

2708
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:40,080
a hell of a fascinating story now uh

2709
01:52:49,270 --> 01:52:47,270
the the next point i asked you for a

2710
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,280
list of uh

2711
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,840
of of things uh that stands for how

2712
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:53,840
about reference on page one oak shannon

2713
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,320
oh you know what okay um that was

2714
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,560
something that grant cameron when he saw

2715
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:00,239
that he was like as soon as i saw the

2716
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:01,840
name of oak shannon i was like okay this

2717
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,400
is this is heavy duty stuff yeah yeah

2718
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,040
oak shannon actually makes perfect sense

2719
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,760
so oak shannon was a guy i don't know

2720
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:12,080
everything about his career his navy he

2721
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,119
actually was part of john alexander's

2722
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,360
advanced theoretical physics group back

2723
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:19,679
in the 1980s they met at the bdm uh

2724
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:21,920
center in mclean virginia

2725
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,920
and this this was

2726
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:25,679
john alexander's part of that whole

2727
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,560
ned's crowd obviously right they're all

2728
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,840
they all knew each other so oak shannon

2729
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,440
knew alexander he probably knew some of

2730
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:35,040
these other guys

2731
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:36,480
and

2732
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,639
man who arranged the meeting between

2733
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,800
wilson and davis like shannon's the guy

2734
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:46,560
who's friends with wilson and he's

2735
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,800
telling him yeah davis is good you can

2736
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:50,080
trust him

2737
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,679
because wilson didn't know davis from

2738
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:52,880
adam at this point he's like i don't

2739
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:55,520
know who this guy is so the fact that

2740
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,000
like that name

2741
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:00,719
now yeah i'm well aware that both of

2742
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,560
wilson and shannon are like

2743
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:04,080
wilson's like i don't think i ever knew

2744
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:05,520
him but

2745
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:08,800
no that's bs like he clearly knew him

2746
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,440
and shannon arranged

2747
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:14,639
for this meeting to me that's

2748
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:16,000
i thought that was quite a significant

2749
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,440
little out of the blue little tidbit

2750
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,520
it says here this is from thomas wilson

2751
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,280
he says i recalled phone call with oak

2752
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:24,960
shannon in fall

2753
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:29,280
uh august of 1999 big oak shannon fan go

2754
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:31,920
back years in the navy before oak left

2755
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:32,800
for

2756
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,000
lannell

2757
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:36,800
um and then he continues national labs

2758
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:37,599
yes

2759
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:40,800
and uh los alamos oak talked for two

2760
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:43,280
hours wanted to convince to talk to me

2761
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:46,320
eric davis about what he told will

2762
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:48,800
miller and uh we'll we'll get to that

2763
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,679
letter in a second june 97 and april of

2764
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:53,040
97

2765
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:57,040
re uh the boston globe story by leslie

2766
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:58,000
kane

2767
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:00,880
oh that's important stuff yeah yeah

2768
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:03,760
and this is uh yes the ufo topic crashed

2769
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:07,840
retrieve ufos crafting bodies etc mj 12

2770
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:11,599
like ufo organization or cabal

2771
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:15,440
and davis replies back what was said

2772
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:16,960
and

2773
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:19,360
thomas wilson says confirm that greer

2774
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:21,040
miller mitchell gave a talk at the

2775
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,719
pentagon conference room we've talked

2776
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:24,800
about this many times admiral mike

2777
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:27,360
crawford general pat hughes hughes his

2778
01:55:33,310 --> 01:55:29,440
boss were present others too

2779
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:33,320
date of april 97 edgar mitchell said for

2780
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,880
997 after a group broke up miller wilson

2781
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:39,040
talked privately for two hours on ufos

2782
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:41,920
mj12 roswell crashed ufos alien bodies

2783
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:44,840
etc thomas wilson was

2784
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,239
intrigued knew about intelligence on u.s

2785
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,040
military intel ufo uh close encounters

2786
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:53,760
and foreign government encounters

2787
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:58,239
seen the records and he told miller

2788
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,280
yep

2789
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,280
now let's let's go back to this boston

2790
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:02,800
globe story

2791
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:05,599
yeah so if you notice in the notes there

2792
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:07,440
uh davis is writing down that wilson was

2793
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,960
really pissed

2794
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:11,040
that miller had talked to leslie kane a

2795
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:12,320
journalist

2796
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:13,199
right

2797
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:16,560
and in those notes wilson's like

2798
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:19,440
this is you know navy camaraderie i

2799
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,599
spoke with i spoke with miller in

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01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:23,360
confidence and now he goes blah blah

2801
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,199
leslie kane journalist

2802
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:26,880
now this is true

2803
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:28,480
and one thing that i didn't realize and

2804
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:31,199
i have to thank uh ufo joe joe mergia

2805
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,840
and juliana marinkovic because they were

2806
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:35,440
they provided me with some of this and

2807
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:36,800
this information i'm now going to give

2808
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,840
you

2809
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:40,000
which is not only yeah leslie that's

2810
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,920
right she wrote a boston globe article

2811
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,440
um

2812
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:45,599
in

2813
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:49,199
wrote

2814
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:51,119
in her boston globe article

2815
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:51,920
that

2816
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,040
will miller she abuses miller's name

2817
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:57,280
i want to get this right here

2818
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,560
that he had a meeting with the director

2819
01:57:01,270 --> 01:57:00,400
of the dia and an admiral and joint

2820
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:01,280
staff

2821
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:04,960
but she wrote another article for

2822
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,960
a french magazine vsd

2823
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:10,639
i didn't know about this so joe pointed

2824
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:14,000
this out i think juliano found it

2825
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:17,760
she writes that in september of 98

2826
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:20,239
so a follow-up meeting that miller and

2827
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:21,840
greer briefed

2828
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:24,480
the d i am reading this the dia director

2829
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,679
that's pat hughes that's wilson's boss

2830
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,760
so she outed wilson and hughes without

2831
01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:31,520
naming them

2832
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:33,599
in her various statements here so here's

2833
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:35,599
the point if grier and miller were like

2834
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:38,639
so unimpressive to wilson in april 97

2835
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:40,239
how in hell are they going to get a

2836
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,679
meeting in september 98 with pat hughes

2837
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:45,520
wilson's boss

2838
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:46,800
like

2839
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:49,199
that's rather interesting to me

2840
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,760
if they were just so ah who cares

2841
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:54,000
but this is leslie's reporting

2842
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,280
and it's not

2843
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:57,679
a joke joe just hit me up here with a

2844
01:58:01,910 --> 01:57:59,840
message so he's obviously listening live

2845
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:01,920
he writes in 2000 both articles thanks

2846
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:04,719
joe this is the gossip columnist guy on

2847
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:08,239
twitter joe merges in my opinion he's

2848
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,239
he's a genuine gossip columnist ufo joe

2849
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,800
yeah yeah the ronan good guy and we're

2850
01:58:18,470 --> 01:58:16,400
lucky to have him

2851
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,480
piano we're putting this together the

2852
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:21,440
rona barrett of the ufo world

2853
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:24,239
does a good job does a good job okay so

2854
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:25,760
he's far better than that

2855
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,719
really

2856
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,880
you think so okay okay absolutely you

2857
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:30,880
talk with him sometime he's very good

2858
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:33,599
okay uh good enough uh i don't read his

2859
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:36,719
stuff so i i i i i i can't vouch but

2860
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:38,320
staying on this

2861
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:40,560
and he's worth he's worthwhile so he

2862
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,159
revealed the stuff uh to you or

2863
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:46,639
who was the the he just he just

2864
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:48,400
reminded me or told me that leslie

2865
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:49,920
didn't just do the boston globe piece

2866
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:51,760
she did this other article as well for

2867
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:55,440
french magazine vsd right and that she

2868
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,679
so this is leslie kane uh

2869
01:59:01,189 --> 01:58:59,440
and she's stating that that greer and

2870
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:01,199
miller had a subsequent meeting in

2871
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:03,520
september 98 with pat hughes now there's

2872
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:06,080
another reference at the bottom here uh

2873
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:08,239
which i find interesting and it kind of

2874
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:09,599
goes back to some of the points that

2875
01:59:14,709 --> 01:59:10,639
i've made

2876
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:14,719
which is this uh uh wilson says yes

2877
01:59:19,430 --> 01:59:18,080
miller asked the question on mj 12 ufo

2878
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:19,440
cabal

2879
01:59:25,589 --> 01:59:22,000
right confirmed he called miller

2880
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:25,599
uh circa late june 97 and told uh that

2881
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:28,880
he miller was right there is such an

2882
01:59:33,430 --> 01:59:31,599
organization in existence

2883
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:33,440
i i think that's a very important point

2884
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:36,159
not necessarily under the name or this

2885
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:39,119
acronym you know mj-12 but there is

2886
01:59:44,629 --> 01:59:42,320
a group there in existence at that point

2887
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:44,639
i find that very relevant

2888
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:46,320
clearly

2889
01:59:54,790 --> 01:59:52,639
from a break richard um so let's go

2890
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:54,800
we'll set this up for the return

2891
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:57,520
here uh what's the next page uh

2892
02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:59,520
uh you want to reference

2893
02:00:02,470 --> 02:00:00,880
oh i don't know

2894
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,480
um

2895
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:03,840
i should pull it up

2896
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:06,800
okay well then we will do just that

2897
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:08,960
richard's gonna catch me by surprise

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after the break our guest tonight

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richard dolan

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i am your host jimmy church more with

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uh richard richard dolan is our guest

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richard and i i'm sure going at it man

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i dig it that i dig it and and talk

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about spirited debate and uh

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uh it's tough for me to hold my ground

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man it's uh you know um i'm just a

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doofus and but anyway uh richard

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um

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i

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there has

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been and you know and i understand this

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you know from the word go uh when the

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document

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uh the docs i should say it's it's uh 15

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pages uh collectively there's more than

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that

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um and holding the alien autopsy stuff

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to the side because i think all of that

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is is authentic um and it's probably

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some of the best hold that directly by

3024
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,599
kid green yeah yeah it's public and also

3025
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,760
pretty funny too there's some comedy in

3026
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:25,679
there i've been watching

3027
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,440
yeah it's very interesting watching them

3028
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:29,520
going back and forth how they

3029
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:32,320
uh communicated uh with each other and

3030
02:06:38,629 --> 02:06:35,040
uh they definitely didn't hold back but

3031
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,639
putting alien autopsy aside and um

3032
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,639
uh the letter which is two pages putting

3033
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:42,480
that to the side because

3034
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:44,320
i believe the letter is is authentic

3035
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:46,560
it's not that big of a deal but

3036
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,400
there was uh quite a bit of and and i

3037
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,280
get it too that this document is just

3038
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:55,920
bogus right this is just a hoax from the

3039
02:06:59,510 --> 02:06:58,159
word go and there's no way that it is

3040
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:59,520
authentic

3041
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,719
um

3042
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:02,400
i've kind of gone back and forth with

3043
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:03,199
that

3044
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:06,560
i've swung back to the reason why i

3045
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:07,360
think

3046
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:09,360
these notes are authentic and i want

3047
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:13,040
your opinion is that uh uh eric davis

3048
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:15,119
has stayed silent on it

3049
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:17,360
and and that right there i i'm being

3050
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:19,280
very very serious that right there just

3051
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:20,960
says ah

3052
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,560
it got leaked he he knows it but he's

3053
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:26,400
not going to comment on it he's just

3054
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:27,360
going to steer

3055
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:28,480
i don't want to harp against john

3056
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:30,320
greenwald but but this is where john is

3057
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:31,760
wrong again

3058
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:34,239
oh john pointed because john has said is

3059
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:37,119
that the no comments that we that those

3060
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:39,119
of us who believe that these are

3061
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:40,800
legit documents that we twist to no

3062
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:43,840
comments into an affirmation and and

3063
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:46,239
john actually made a very strong point

3064
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:47,840
that that's not true but that's right

3065
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:49,760
actually it is true all right and here's

3066
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,880
why

3067
02:07:55,589 --> 02:07:53,599
uh it it's not the case that like if

3068
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,599
you're in a classified world

3069
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:57,360
like john actually uses an example he

3070
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:58,880
asked lou elizondo a kind of a

3071
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,040
theoretical quote about this and

3072
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,440
but i i he really twisted elizondo's

3073
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:05,520
answer to his own purpose and and it

3074
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,679
really wasn't properly done

3075
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:09,360
the thing is this let's say you're in

3076
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:10,960
the classified world

3077
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:12,400
and i say to you

3078
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:14,000
hey you know what jimmy i know that you

3079
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:15,920
gave weapons of mass destruction to some

3080
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:18,239
saddam hussein in 2001.

3081
02:08:22,149 --> 02:08:19,760
and like let's say you didn't do you

3082
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:22,159
would you wouldn't you would not say oh

3083
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:24,239
like i'm offering a no comment on that

3084
02:08:28,629 --> 02:08:26,480
because i'm not authorized like bs you

3085
02:08:30,069 --> 02:08:28,639
would say that's baloney and you would

3086
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:30,079
you would say because that's that's a

3087
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:32,239
lie it's not true

3088
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:34,960
and you are not breaking any classified

3089
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:37,119
protocols whatsoever

3090
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:39,679
all right that's the fact if if these

3091
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:42,000
notes were totally bogus i mean you got

3092
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,360
davis's initials right there ewd

3093
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,520
sorry at every page of this document

3094
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:49,920
it's clearly meant to be eric davis it

3095
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:52,480
is in his writing style to boot as i was

3096
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:54,560
saying earlier this is exactly how he

3097
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:57,199
writes his notes

3098
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:59,360
do you real does anyone with a brain in

3099
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:01,280
their head actually think if those are a

3100
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,800
fake hoax

3101
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:04,880
that implicates davis and davis knew

3102
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:06,159
they were hoaxed do you do you think he

3103
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:08,239
would say no comment

3104
02:09:11,669 --> 02:09:10,079
does anyone think that he would say no

3105
02:09:13,109 --> 02:09:11,679
comment davis is one of the most

3106
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:13,119
forthright

3107
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:15,199
upfront people

3108
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,480
that i can even think about davis is

3109
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:21,119
always up front about this type of thing

3110
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,360
and on this matter

3111
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:25,599
he's actually not silent i mean he did a

3112
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:27,199
very interesting interview with stephen

3113
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:28,880
greenstreet of the basement office where

3114
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:30,000
he

3115
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:40,960
but

3116
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:42,960
you know he went about as far as he

3117
02:09:45,669 --> 02:09:44,320
could go because he's eric davis and

3118
02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:45,679
that's what he does he goes right to the

3119
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,920
line every time

3120
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:49,920
and he doesn't go over because he knows

3121
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,719
he's very highly intelligent he knows

3122
02:09:57,910 --> 02:09:55,119
just how far he can go

3123
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:57,920
but on this case he gives this

3124
02:10:01,430 --> 02:10:00,079
convoluted no comment along with put off

3125
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:01,440
in fact their no comments are almost

3126
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:03,520
exactly worded the same way

3127
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,800
you know uh

3128
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:07,440
the no comment part uh is one thing

3129
02:10:12,229 --> 02:10:09,199
about authentic ar you know are these

3130
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:12,239
notes real right okay so we're

3131
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:14,320
pulling that to the side they could

3132
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:16,639
answer this question

3133
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:19,920
have you had these docs

3134
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:22,480
have you had these have you read have

3135
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:24,320
you had these in your possession

3136
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:26,719
since uh 2002

3137
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,520
yes i have that that's not breaking any

3138
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:31,679
oath that's not authenticating anything

3139
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:32,400
yeah

3140
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:34,960
i don't know i they because if they

3141
02:10:39,910 --> 02:10:38,960
if they have had them for 19 years

3142
02:10:40,830 --> 02:10:39,920
right

3143
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:40,840
that

3144
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,560
would support a lot of aspects

3145
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:47,360
that crowd said to me off the record

3146
02:10:53,270 --> 02:10:49,599
i've known about those documents since

3147
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,280
day two right exact quote you can answer

3148
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:55,440
that you can answer that question right

3149
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,719
you can answer that question without

3150
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:58,719
breaking any out and i don't even think

3151
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,040
the oath matters but they're just they

3152
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:03,119
don't want to do it i don't you know i

3153
02:11:06,709 --> 02:11:04,719
can't speak for them

3154
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:06,719
they are scared out of their minds i'm

3155
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:08,960
telling you they're afraid of the

3156
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,639
repercussions

3157
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:13,199
so you can disagree with them i can

3158
02:11:18,149 --> 02:11:16,159
disagree with them i have privately

3159
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:18,159
but they feel how they feel they're just

3160
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,199
not going to do this they're not going

3161
02:11:23,350 --> 02:11:21,760
to blow their what they feel is their

3162
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:23,360
credibility not with us they don't care

3163
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:24,239
about us they care about their

3164
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:25,840
credibility within the classified world

3165
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:27,760
and those colleagues but

3166
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:30,480
you know kim kim jong-un kim jong-un

3167
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:34,079
just uh tweeted this well uh a half an

3168
02:11:37,510 --> 02:11:35,119
hour ago

3169
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:37,520
but i think it's a brilliant tweet and a

3170
02:11:43,270 --> 02:11:40,239
great point and she says

3171
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:43,280
wasn't put off on the ttsa board of

3172
02:11:47,510 --> 02:11:46,000
directors how concerned is he about his

3173
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,520
reputation

3174
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:49,760
right if he's if he's doing that he's

3175
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:51,440
out he's out of the what

3176
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,079
what does he care

3177
02:11:58,100 --> 02:11:56,320
well i've asked him that myself i mean

3178
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:58,110
he's clearly out of the closet

3179
02:12:02,310 --> 02:12:00,880
[Laughter]

3180
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:02,320
yes he's he

3181
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,000
that's true he's out of the closet in

3182
02:12:06,950 --> 02:12:05,679
the sense of his ufo interest which was

3183
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:06,960
very much

3184
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,280
as much in the closet as could be 20

3185
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:12,159
years ago sure i knew i knew way back

3186
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:14,000
then that he was interested in ufos i'd

3187
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:15,840
talked with him about that for years

3188
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,560
but

3189
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,320
yeah that was like not something that he

3190
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:20,560
wanted out to the world now now it's

3191
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:22,159
quite obvious

3192
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,480
i mean you read will miller's letter in

3193
02:12:28,709 --> 02:12:26,639
that document and this is all about

3194
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:28,719
miller talking about potentially working

3195
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:30,400
for put off in davis to do

3196
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:32,480
investigations of like crash retrievals

3197
02:12:36,470 --> 02:12:35,280
and other matters pertaining to ufo like

3198
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:36,480
clearly

3199
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,520
they are

3200
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:39,599
they were deep interested in ufos and

3201
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,040
all that was true

3202
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,679
like they were they are

3203
02:12:47,910 --> 02:12:45,280
so but

3204
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:47,920
why ttsa who the hell knows i mean he

3205
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:49,679
according to what hal actually said to

3206
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:50,639
me

3207
02:12:54,390 --> 02:12:52,320
privately he says look we

3208
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,400
what did he say we believe in getting a

3209
02:12:57,910 --> 02:12:56,800
more veritical

3210
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:57,920
truthful

3211
02:13:01,589 --> 02:12:58,800
um

3212
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:01,599
converse public conversation out there

3213
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:03,840
which in fact is what they did do

3214
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:05,119
for all the bitching and moaning about

3215
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:06,560
ttsa like

3216
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:08,800
they succeeded in doing that something

3217
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:10,960
that no one else has ever done

3218
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:13,760
that's the fact tdsa you can you can

3219
02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:16,719
complain about them all you want they

3220
02:13:20,550 --> 02:13:18,480
and only they

3221
02:13:22,629 --> 02:13:20,560
were able to get the new york times to

3222
02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:22,639
do those two articles and night 2017

3223
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:24,400
without ttsa those articles would never

3224
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:25,360
have happened

3225
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:26,719
never

3226
02:13:30,629 --> 02:13:28,800
and all the other stuff that they did

3227
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:30,639
they did open up

3228
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:32,079
to a large extent the public

3229
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:33,920
conversation on ufos which had been shut

3230
02:13:44,149 --> 02:13:40,470
did you know that ttsa shut their

3231
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:44,159
t-shirt store down in encinitas i'm not

3232
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:46,560
surprised yeah yeah i've been look i've

3233
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:48,159
said for years like they are not long

3234
02:13:53,750 --> 02:13:50,960
for this world no i remember uh

3235
02:13:55,109 --> 02:13:53,760
uh you uh speaking about this quite a

3236
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:55,119
while ago

3237
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,520
um and and i didn't have inside info it

3238
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:59,360
was just not thought of you could feel

3239
02:14:04,310 --> 02:14:01,520
it yeah yeah you could feel it now i

3240
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,320
want to go back to this letter um and

3241
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:05,840
and i've got it pulled up here we've

3242
02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:08,880
referenced this now newsletter uh

3243
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:10,480
miller's letter

3244
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:14,960
um will miller and this is addressed to

3245
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:17,440
and it's on semi-official letterhead in

3246
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:20,320
that it's from will miller it's got his

3247
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:22,960
uh address uh on it

3248
02:14:27,189 --> 02:14:25,840
um and i'm not gonna get into any doxing

3249
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:27,199
we're not going to mention that but it

3250
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:28,560
is written to

3251
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:32,000
dr eric w davis ceo of warp drive

3252
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:34,239
metrics in las vegas

3253
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:36,880
and it starts off with this it says dear

3254
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:39,360
eric i must apologize to you and hal hal

3255
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,280
put off for not getting back to you

3256
02:14:45,910 --> 02:14:43,760
sooner the fog of war

3257
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:45,920
current business activity and losing

3258
02:14:50,950 --> 02:14:48,320
your new email address all contributed

3259
02:14:52,870 --> 02:14:50,960
to the delay first yeah the war in

3260
02:14:56,390 --> 02:14:52,880
afghanistan was brand new that's right

3261
02:14:58,709 --> 02:14:56,400
at that time um first i must ask you and

3262
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:58,719
or hal would be interested in meeting

3263
02:15:04,709 --> 02:14:59,520
with

3264
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:04,719
on the evening of may 30th bob has been

3265
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,719
invited to meet with the head of florida

3266
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:08,560
academy of sciences and the director of

3267
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,560
the high magnetic field laboratory for a

3268
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:12,320
roundtable discussion

3269
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:15,920
of his mr beckwith's force model of the

3270
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:18,320
universe and his planned experiments in

3271
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:21,280
ltt levitation teleportation and time

3272
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:23,840
travel among other subjects i believe

3273
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:26,400
that the meeting date is now firm but

3274
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:28,880
that will be determined in the next day

3275
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:31,360
now stop right there because what we now

3276
02:15:35,910 --> 02:15:34,159
know for a fact is that davis and padov

3277
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:35,920
are deeply interested in all of those

3278
02:15:39,030 --> 02:15:37,040
topics

3279
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:39,040
levitation teleportation time travel how

3280
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:40,560
do we know that

3281
02:15:46,069 --> 02:15:44,079
you look at the 38 uh titles of the

3282
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,079
documents under the atip program that

3283
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:49,040
were sub uh gotten out of the dia

3284
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:51,119
a couple of years ago

3285
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:53,440
and you've got

3286
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:55,760
all of those themes and put off was of

3287
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:58,159
the man in charge of of getting all

3288
02:16:01,030 --> 02:15:59,599
those papers

3289
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:01,040
uh you may know that you may not have

3290
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,400
known that

3291
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:04,960
so these types of you know traversable

3292
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:07,199
wormholes and all of these other types

3293
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:10,480
of harry potter types of technology

3294
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:12,560
which were the theme of a lot of the

3295
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:15,040
atip research

3296
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:16,480
and by the way for very good reason they

3297
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:19,679
were looking into that and here you have

3298
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:21,440
roughly at around the same time i mean a

3299
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,920
little earlier 2002

3300
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:25,840
is that when this is dated o2 right yes

3301
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:26,880
yeah

3302
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:28,880
um

3303
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:30,880
and you see put off and he's talking to

3304
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,479
pot off and davis about those very

3305
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,399
topics because

3306
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:37,040
yeah they were and probably still are

3307
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:38,880
very interested in those

3308
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:41,120
so that makes perfect sense now it's

3309
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:45,359
this next paragraph uh that

3310
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,599
sets the tone and it's very interesting

3311
02:16:52,870 --> 02:16:49,439
yeah he says

3312
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:52,880
i would be willing to assist you and hal

3313
02:16:59,190 --> 02:16:56,160
with your ongoing research into ufo

3314
02:17:01,750 --> 02:16:59,200
crash retrievals and the entities within

3315
02:17:04,629 --> 02:17:01,760
the government or outside of it that are

3316
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:04,639
involved in that business with the

3317
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:07,760
following caveats first there must be

3318
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:09,840
absolutely no mention or association of

3319
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:12,240
my name with your work or investigation

3320
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:14,000
i have absolutely nothing to gain from

3321
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:16,399
such an association at this time and

3322
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:19,840
possibly much to lose second

3323
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:23,439
i i would charge you right to this you

3324
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:25,040
and i talked about this a lot i would

3325
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:27,519
charge you for the actual time i spend

3326
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:29,920
in putting together materials references

3327
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:32,719
or contact lists for you to pursue i

3328
02:17:36,870 --> 02:17:35,040
would expect that time to be minimal

3329
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:36,880
since the initial information would not

3330
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:39,200
take long to put together probably less

3331
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,800
than eight hours my standard rate is 180

3332
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,280
bucks an hour third

3333
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:47,599
nothing i would provide you would be

3334
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:49,760
classified from a national security

3335
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:51,679
perspective although

3336
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:54,160
i have held a top secret ts clearance

3337
02:17:58,589 --> 02:17:57,519
with a special let me get to page two

3338
02:18:01,669 --> 02:17:58,599
uh

3339
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:01,679
compartmented information sei and other

3340
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:05,599
special clearances for other quotes

3341
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:08,000
other programs i currently do not work

3342
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:10,880
in the classified realm nor do i hold

3343
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:13,120
these clearances as i discussed with you

3344
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,040
only by means of working on a current

3345
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:17,120
classified government contract and

3346
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:19,920
having the need to know there it is and

3347
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:22,880
thus requesting my previous clearances

3348
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:25,840
be reinstated by the dod would i again

3349
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:28,240
work in the classified realm now all

3350
02:18:33,429 --> 02:18:31,040
that said and pending further discussion

3351
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:33,439
with you and how on your ultimate

3352
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:36,240
objectives for having such information i

3353
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:38,719
could provide the following that's

3354
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:41,519
pretty strong from will miller laying it

3355
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:44,319
out right there including

3356
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,760
his rate

3357
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,599
it's very interesting

3358
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:49,439
yeah

3359
02:18:56,709 --> 02:18:54,719
like you know honestly

3360
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:56,719
even talking about this as a hoax is

3361
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:58,479
almost a total waste of time but the

3362
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:00,399
reason i want to come on

3363
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:02,160
to talk about this with you is because

3364
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:04,000
like there's some people who just will

3365
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:05,920
not let this go and it's and it is

3366
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,920
really destructive to our community at

3367
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:09,840
this point because this what we need to

3368
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:11,519
be doing with all this stuff is actually

3369
02:19:16,950 --> 02:19:15,359
getting into the details and

3370
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:16,960
learning

3371
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:18,559
critically important information out of

3372
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:20,240
these details this is important stuff

3373
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:22,080
here like but think of it as a hoax

3374
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,840
scenario how does how in god's name does

3375
02:19:26,950 --> 02:19:25,519
this make sense

3376
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:26,960
you have people john was talking about

3377
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:28,719
it being a movie script like are you

3378
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,080
serious

3379
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:32,800
who actually believes that this is

3380
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:34,800
a movie treatment of any sort of some

3381
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:37,359
kind of script like no

3382
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,359
it's this is eric davis i mean other

3383
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:41,200
than miller's letter we're talking about

3384
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:44,319
eric davis's writing so obviously eric

3385
02:19:49,349 --> 02:19:47,359
davis so did davis uh insert a fake

3386
02:19:50,950 --> 02:19:49,359
letter by miller

3387
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:50,960
miller actually gave some totally

3388
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,680
half-assed uh oh i think it was cobbled

3389
02:19:57,670 --> 02:19:55,840
together from different letters i wrote

3390
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:57,680
like he was i think at least initially

3391
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:59,280
he was denying that he wrote this letter

3392
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:01,439
it's absurd he clearly wrote the letter

3393
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:03,840
they're all embarrassed and uh he says i

3394
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:06,640
could provide the following one

3395
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,359
particulars on a special team involved

3396
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:11,840
as a secondary mission with recovering

3397
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:14,080
crashed craft including but not limited

3398
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:16,720
to the previous classified f-117 stealth

3399
02:20:22,630 --> 02:20:19,600
fighter the team or its successors its

3400
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:22,640
parent sponsoring entity and its two key

3401
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:25,040
officers may provide some of the

3402
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:27,680
information that you seek now he doesn't

3403
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:30,560
say ufo here he says ufo on the previous

3404
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:32,319
page when it comes to

3405
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:35,200
uh crash retrievals but clearly that's

3406
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:36,880
what he's referencing here in point

3407
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:37,920
number one

3408
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:40,560
but uh number two again he's naming

3409
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:43,680
names or offering to give up names yes

3410
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:46,000
he's specific yes he says the name and

3411
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,399
last location of a senior officer who i

3412
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:50,960
believed had first-hand knowledge of u.s

3413
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:54,000
government alien reproduction vehicles

3414
02:21:02,309 --> 02:21:00,160
arvs at area 51 and associated locations

3415
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:02,319
whoa and by the way this is this can't

3416
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,000
be a cut and paste or anything like that

3417
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,640
this is a completely coherent

3418
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:07,920
fully

3419
02:21:11,590 --> 02:21:09,760
comes together type of a letter like

3420
02:21:13,990 --> 02:21:11,600
every part of it refers to every other

3421
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:14,000
like all of it is logical

3422
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:15,680
all of it is coherent

3423
02:21:19,750 --> 02:21:17,520
this is all one statement this is miller

3424
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:19,760
making his pitch to pot off and davis

3425
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:22,560
here's what i can do for you

3426
02:21:26,950 --> 02:21:24,560
point number three giving up more names

3427
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:26,960
the name and current location of a

3428
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:30,479
retired senior flag rank officer who i

3429
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:31,920
believe was directly involved in

3430
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:33,359
government interaction with a

3431
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:36,080
significant ufo event on the east coast

3432
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,280
of the u.s and i believe has by virtue

3433
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:41,920
of his former leadership position high

3434
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:44,160
military rank and control of significant

3435
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:46,160
military forces direct knowledge of

3436
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,880
united states government involvement in

3437
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,880
this business that's a hell of a

3438
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:52,479
statement it's a hell of a statement and

3439
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:54,479
not heavy duty not beating around the

3440
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,200
bush it's very direct nope giving up

3441
02:22:01,990 --> 02:22:00,000
names too man everybody's like man

3442
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:02,000
180 bucks an hour

3443
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:07,110
yeah yeah

3444
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,600
uh yeah

3445
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:09,200
2002 he sounds like he's worth it

3446
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:15,910
yeah yeah let's go back to 2002 180

3447
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:18,240
bucks what is that today

3448
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:20,080
yeah 500 that's valuable information

3449
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,479
though yes it is number four more names

3450
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:26,720
a list of civilian government

3451
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:29,040
contractors who by virtue of their past

3452
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,120
and current highly classified work

3453
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,040
current capabilities clearances

3454
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:35,200
specialized personnel and geographic

3455
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:36,960
areas of concern

3456
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:39,920
most likely have current involvement and

3457
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,240
knowledge of u.s government work in

3458
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:44,960
alien derived technologies

3459
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:46,240
crashes

3460
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,359
landing

3461
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:49,680
and associated events if you have

3462
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,560
interest in any of the above please let

3463
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:54,720
me know

3464
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:57,040
and all of this is completely in in line

3465
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:59,040
with what we know about will miller you

3466
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:00,560
know listen to some of his interviews he

3467
02:23:04,309 --> 02:23:02,399
did one with stephen greer a bunch of

3468
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:04,319
years ago five years ago i think and

3469
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:07,920
they're talking very openly about like

3470
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:09,359
first of all they talked about their

3471
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:11,840
meeting with wilson and they got fairly

3472
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:13,280
specific they didn't get into all the

3473
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,359
details because they think they still

3474
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:17,600
felt constrained because this leak had

3475
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:19,680
not come out at that time

3476
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:20,800
but

3477
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:23,840
miller clearly has a long-standing

3478
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:25,200
interest in it by the way i mentioned

3479
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:28,240
joe merger earlier joe knew miller way

3480
02:23:32,550 --> 02:23:30,240
way back in the day in florida decades

3481
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:32,560
ago had a lot to say about him but the

3482
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:35,760
point is miller all of this is

3483
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:38,399
exactly in line with what we know about

3484
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,240
will miller this is the kind of thing he

3485
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:42,800
would he would conceivably have said and

3486
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,560
he's saying it to the right audience but

3487
02:23:49,270 --> 02:23:47,040
often davis who

3488
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:49,280
are all over this stuff

3489
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:52,080
like they they and the whole nids group

3490
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,760
through the 90s and through the 21st

3491
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:56,000
century they're working their way into

3492
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:58,240
the labyrinth that's all they want they

3493
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:59,600
want the holy grail they want the

3494
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:00,640
answers

3495
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,240
and so here they're talking with a guy

3496
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:04,800
who's like i've got some answers you pay

3497
02:24:09,349 --> 02:24:06,880
me 180 bucks an hour and i'll get you

3498
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:09,359
some damn good answers so all of this

3499
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:11,040
makes perfect sense it's completely

3500
02:24:15,270 --> 02:24:12,960
logical and what's interesting is that

3501
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:15,280
in the uh when davis is talking with

3502
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:17,120
wilson he shows him

3503
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:18,720
this letter

3504
02:24:22,389 --> 02:24:20,800
and uh i thought the response there was

3505
02:24:24,309 --> 02:24:22,399
actually kind of funny wilson laughs

3506
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:24,319
he's like well you know

3507
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,760
miller knows a few things but he doesn't

3508
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:27,520
know everything and

3509
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:29,680
i mean all of that just seemed very very

3510
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:31,040
credible

3511
02:24:35,429 --> 02:24:33,680
and again if this is a hoax

3512
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:35,439
it's either

3513
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:37,840
someone posing as davis who just happens

3514
02:24:43,510 --> 02:24:40,560
to write exactly like eric davis or it's

3515
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:43,520
davis which is obviously the case so why

3516
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:45,600
is davis going to make this up and why

3517
02:24:48,389 --> 02:24:46,560
then

3518
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:48,399
is one of davis's close associates going

3519
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:51,840
to show this to me in 2006 as a real

3520
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,399
thing and by the way i wasn't the only

3521
02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:56,800
person shown this there's a very

3522
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:00,720
prominent highly regarded serious

3523
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:03,200
person in the ufo field who

3524
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:05,280
was also shown this many years ago and i

3525
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:06,560
know this because that person told me

3526
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:07,760
directly

3527
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:10,240
and that person will not go public so i

3528
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:12,399
was like thanks for nothing but they

3529
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:13,280
they

3530
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:15,680
this is a very serious

3531
02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:19,120
credible individual who's no one's fool

3532
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:21,840
and said oh yeah i know that's for real

3533
02:25:25,590 --> 02:25:23,439
you know and they and talk with all the

3534
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,600
same people that i talked with

3535
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:27,359
all right so

3536
02:25:31,030 --> 02:25:28,960
where you have long-standing

3537
02:25:32,469 --> 02:25:31,040
relationships with these people by the

3538
02:25:34,710 --> 02:25:32,479
way right

3539
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:34,720
where you respect them you have mutual

3540
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:36,560
conversations

3541
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:38,800
this is for real so if davis made this

3542
02:25:45,349 --> 02:25:41,840
up as a script to impress bigelow

3543
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:45,359
which i think is a ridiculous idea

3544
02:25:47,990 --> 02:25:46,319
why the hell are they going to be

3545
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:48,000
shopping this around a ufo researchers

3546
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:50,080
just to jerk our chain just to get a

3547
02:25:57,030 --> 02:25:53,120
good laugh to troll us i don't buy it

3548
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:57,040
well the last paragraph richard to me

3549
02:26:01,910 --> 02:25:58,800
which has nothing to do with ufos or

3550
02:26:04,389 --> 02:26:01,920
crash retrievals letter here uh yeah is

3551
02:26:06,469 --> 02:26:04,399
is this which is like the most

3552
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:06,479
interesting to me

3553
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:09,120
part of the entire letter

3554
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,160
will says finally i have a request i'm

3555
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:14,640
trying to locate a company in las vegas

3556
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:16,880
which seven years ago manufactured a

3557
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:21,040
specialized disabling pepper spray

3558
02:26:24,550 --> 02:26:22,640
they did this for the military and law

3559
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:24,560
enforcement the company was called one

3560
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:27,439
mark inc at 2300 west sahara avenue

3561
02:26:32,630 --> 02:26:31,359
suite 500 and i knew its vp of mr joe

3562
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,640
zuccaro

3563
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:34,720
any help in locating him or the company

3564
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:36,479
would be appreciated

3565
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,720
best regards will exactly that that's

3566
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:40,800
that that right there is the most

3567
02:26:45,750 --> 02:26:44,000
interesting part of the in this letter

3568
02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:45,760
yeah it's a total non-sequitur it

3569
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:47,680
totally tosses it in there so by the way

3570
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:48,640
you've got this little bit of

3571
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:50,560
information on this totally irrelevant

3572
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:52,479
thing yeah it's a good point right

3573
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:55,359
what's that doing now i mean

3574
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:56,800
if you're if you're hoax and if you're

3575
02:27:00,550 --> 02:26:58,880
fabricating uh

3576
02:27:02,710 --> 02:27:00,560
you're not that smart

3577
02:27:04,389 --> 02:27:02,720
right you're

3578
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,399
miller by the way miller hasn't said

3579
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:06,479
anything because honestly he's clearly

3580
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:08,000
embarrassed over the fact that wilson

3581
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:09,200
got pissed

3582
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:12,800
because miller talked to leslie king

3583
02:27:15,910 --> 02:27:13,680
and

3584
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:15,920
you know came out that wilson learned

3585
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:18,960
about that and and it got back to wilson

3586
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:21,040
and go back to general pat hughes and

3587
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:23,680
wilson was angry and embarrassed

3588
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:26,319
and it's like hey he's a navy guy he

3589
02:27:31,110 --> 02:27:28,080
should not have done that we have our

3590
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:31,120
code and he broke that code and so i

3591
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:33,040
i've no doubt miller probably felt

3592
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:35,600
really bad he's like oh damn

3593
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:38,720
so now this whole thing comes out

3594
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:41,760
and he's now faced with this

3595
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:43,359
situation which

3596
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:45,359
caused him a little bit of embarrassment

3597
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,479
don't write it there's no way he's going

3598
02:27:49,510 --> 02:27:48,080
to want to revisit that don't write

3599
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:49,520
anything like double down and make it

3600
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:52,000
worse don't don't just don't put it in

3601
02:27:54,550 --> 02:27:53,120
an email

3602
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:54,560
whatever you do it's going to come back

3603
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:56,840
but this is uh

3604
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:58,880
um you're gonna hang on for some

3605
02:28:01,990 --> 02:28:00,560
overtime right

3606
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:02,000
yeah okay good

3607
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:02,960
um

3608
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:04,640
is this

3609
02:28:11,510 --> 02:28:07,600
will miller let's let's go back to the

3610
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,520
97 stand-up meeting at the pentagon

3611
02:28:17,590 --> 02:28:14,319
which i think that now

3612
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:17,600
uh we can all agree that that meeting

3613
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:20,000
did take place at the pentagon stephen

3614
02:28:24,630 --> 02:28:23,760
greer was there and so was will miller

3615
02:28:26,790 --> 02:28:24,640
and

3616
02:28:29,830 --> 02:28:26,800
wilson told me that directly i mean he

3617
02:28:31,429 --> 02:28:29,840
admitted to that right and so there's no

3618
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:31,439
debate that he met with those

3619
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:34,240
individuals in april 1997. and that's

3620
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:35,840
that's what i find so interesting here

3621
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:38,560
you know it all goes back to that that

3622
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:40,160
1996

3623
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:42,080
meeting at the pentagon edgar mitchell's

3624
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:42,960
there

3625
02:28:47,190 --> 02:28:44,880
right stephen greer does his

3626
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:47,200
presentation will miller's there

3627
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:50,240
um uh thomas wilson is there

3628
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,200
and and a host of other

3629
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:55,439
i believe he people there and some other

3630
02:28:59,190 --> 02:28:56,880
big wigs

3631
02:29:00,710 --> 02:28:59,200
i'm not mistaken uh grier can clear this

3632
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:00,720
up but i thought even his associate

3633
02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:02,800
sharia demiak might have been there

3634
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:05,680
uh she passed away later but

3635
02:29:08,790 --> 02:29:07,280
uh i thought she might have been someone

3636
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:08,800
can correct me if they know better well

3637
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:11,280
i've done a few different shows uh with

3638
02:29:18,550 --> 02:29:12,080
uh

3639
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:18,560
meeting and who was in attendance

3640
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:22,000
so it it it must be there uh locked in

3641
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:23,840
on on one of those shows because i know

3642
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:27,120
that i i went down every person in the

3643
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:32,309
so uh let's uh let's take our break

3644
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,359
right here we're gonna come back to

3645
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:35,520
overtime we're gonna swing off

3646
02:29:39,990 --> 02:29:38,080
the wilson davis document because when

3647
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:40,000
we come back there's some other things

3648
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:41,760
that are going around the ufo community

3649
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,359
right now that

3650
02:29:47,990 --> 02:29:45,439
that need to be discussed and i want to

3651
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:48,000
bounce some of this off of richard and

3652
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:49,600
get what he thinks about all of this and

3653
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:51,520
we will do that when we come back he has

3654
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:53,439
no idea what i'm going to talk about but

3655
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:55,040
it's going to be fun this is fade to

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mr dolan after this short break stay

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3751
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:11,349
okay welcome back fade to black over

3752
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:14,479
time with richard bleepin dolan

3753
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:16,240
i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

3754
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:17,439
to black

3755
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:19,280
and uh

3756
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:21,520
gonna lighten things up a little bit uh

3757
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:23,200
somewhat somewhat

3758
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:26,960
um richard uh i went to the premiere

3759
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:30,000
of uh extraordinary uh the revelations

3760
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:30,720
uh

3761
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,160
strange to sit through a film

3762
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:44,560
and and listen to that uh it is truly

3763
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:46,319
nails on a chalkboard for myself

3764
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:49,680
everybody enjoyed it but let me say this

3765
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:50,640
your

3766
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:51,439
uh

3767
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:58,319
was was was bleeping great

3768
02:36:01,990 --> 02:36:00,240
and and i'm not i'm not just saying that

3769
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:02,000
because you're here and you're on the

3770
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:04,080
show a lot of people made those same

3771
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:05,680
comments that night

3772
02:36:12,550 --> 02:36:09,280
and also i'm gonna say that the way that

3773
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:12,560
you were framed and lit uh you you were

3774
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:16,399
shot in front of a uh a pool table i i

3775
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,080
don't know if you remember that or was

3776
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:20,399
it green screen yeah oh it was that was

3777
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:22,479
an actual billiard table in the

3778
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:23,760
background

3779
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:26,240
yeah it's one wing of richard's house he

3780
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:27,760
doesn't even remember that he has a pool

3781
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:28,720
table

3782
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:29,680
but

3783
02:36:39,830 --> 02:36:37,200
listening you went out

3784
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:39,840
uh you went away from

3785
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,520
your i cannot remember what i said that

3786
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,760
that's that's the best part you went out

3787
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:45,840
of your comfort zone

3788
02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:47,439
i'm close to a lot of those are

3789
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:49,359
wonderful people who ran that yeah yeah

3790
02:36:52,469 --> 02:36:51,359
my wonderful friend laurie wagner i just

3791
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,479
adore her

3792
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:54,800
and uh and all the other uh folks who

3793
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:56,560
were doing executive producing like they

3794
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:58,000
were they're all wonderful they were

3795
02:37:00,870 --> 02:36:59,520
just really great to work with yeah the

3796
02:37:02,550 --> 02:37:00,880
film is excellent

3797
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:02,560
i can't i cannot remember you know what

3798
02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:04,880
uh but this is the thing um and

3799
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:06,479
everybody can watch the film and it's

3800
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:09,280
gonna premiere in uh the world premiere

3801
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:12,080
on amazon on november 30th

3802
02:37:17,510 --> 02:37:14,240
but um but i'll i'll just say this

3803
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:17,520
richard i sat back and i was like

3804
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:20,000
dude is making me proud right now

3805
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:21,040
and

3806
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:24,240
these things um

3807
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:25,200
uh

3808
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:29,439
perspective on cases and and this and

3809
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:32,479
that no it was about uh

3810
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:36,160
um the emotional impact on on what

3811
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,000
disclosure means

3812
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,960
and and and you went right there and and

3813
02:37:43,590 --> 02:37:42,399
i just sat back and went i've never

3814
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:43,600
heard richard

3815
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:45,520
speak this way but the rest of the world

3816
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:47,439
when they see this film

3817
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:50,800
are are going to hear this and you i i'm

3818
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:53,840
man it was just so strong so

3819
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:56,720
uh kudos man kudos thank you actually i

3820
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:58,960
remember now sitting down for that i do

3821
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:00,880
remember that moment

3822
02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:02,880
uh thanks for bringing it back yeah i

3823
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:05,760
got into some kind of uh reverie yeah

3824
02:38:09,349 --> 02:38:06,800
you did

3825
02:38:11,990 --> 02:38:09,359
right now i was like man where was this

3826
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:12,000
on my show richard right that's what i

3827
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:14,960
was thinking i'm like man this is gold

3828
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:18,080
um but anyway mistaken the uh they they

3829
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:21,200
use the theme of something i'm a big fan

3830
02:38:24,230 --> 02:38:22,720
used to read a lot of ralph waldo

3831
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:24,240
emerson

3832
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:28,319
had a lot of great essays he was a

3833
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:31,439
genius and one was called circles

3834
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,880
and they

3835
02:38:36,870 --> 02:38:34,960
i remember talking about this with them

3836
02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:36,880
and they they actually use this as a

3837
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:37,840
theme

3838
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:39,680
so the idea of what emerson was talking

3839
02:38:43,270 --> 02:38:41,520
about with a circle is like

3840
02:38:45,270 --> 02:38:43,280
imagine all of your knowledge is

3841
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,280
contained within a circle right so the

3842
02:38:49,270 --> 02:38:47,680
boundary of the circle is the is the

3843
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:49,280
boundary of what you know and that's the

3844
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:50,880
boundary of the unknown

3845
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:52,960
and and the point that emerson made that

3846
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:55,040
they liked and i think they used this

3847
02:38:58,790 --> 02:38:56,960
was that the larger your circle becomes

3848
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:58,800
like the more you know

3849
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:00,240
the greater is the boundary of the

3850
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:01,760
unknown

3851
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:03,359
that's one of the great mysteries it's

3852
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:07,760
so strong it it it it is so powerful and

3853
02:39:11,349 --> 02:39:10,479
um again being told i'm using the wrong

3854
02:39:13,510 --> 02:39:11,359
movie

3855
02:39:16,150 --> 02:39:13,520
oops i'm using the wrong analogy someone

3856
02:39:19,270 --> 02:39:18,070
they haven't seen them they haven't seen

3857
02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:19,280
the film

3858
02:39:23,590 --> 02:39:21,760
but um uh i can't wait for everybody to

3859
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:23,600
see this and

3860
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:26,640
uh it is just so strong okay so

3861
02:39:30,389 --> 02:39:29,040
um i think this is what happens when you

3862
02:39:32,389 --> 02:39:30,399
spring this on me

3863
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:32,399
and i did not know where we were going

3864
02:39:34,790 --> 02:39:33,840
to go because i couldn't remember that

3865
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,800
very well

3866
02:39:38,550 --> 02:39:36,720
um it was so glad you liked me in it

3867
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:38,560
though i'm always glad about it it is

3868
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:41,840
just a strong film and uh uh next week

3869
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:44,160
we're gonna uh do a deeper dive into the

3870
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:45,120
film

3871
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:46,880
and uh i'm gonna have some people on the

3872
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:48,880
show that are in the film that uh are

3873
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:50,880
gonna be newly introduced

3874
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:54,240
uh to uh to uh not only this audience

3875
02:39:57,590 --> 02:39:56,080
but the ufo community it's it's really

3876
02:40:01,190 --> 02:39:57,600
that strong okay

3877
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:01,200
um i i believe it was last monday

3878
02:40:05,910 --> 02:40:04,000
and uh i did a solo

3879
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:05,920
show here on fade to black i didn't have

3880
02:40:08,710 --> 02:40:07,439
a guest and i did that for a reason

3881
02:40:10,150 --> 02:40:08,720
there were some things i wanted to get

3882
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:10,160
off my chest

3883
02:40:15,030 --> 02:40:13,840
and and and think so uh i did this open

3884
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:15,040
and

3885
02:40:20,950 --> 02:40:18,240
lou elizondo calls in to the show right

3886
02:40:23,510 --> 02:40:20,960
and he text me uh during the show he

3887
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:23,520
said hey man uh you want me to call in

3888
02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:26,160
i said yeah sure okay so after the break

3889
02:40:31,030 --> 02:40:27,520
he came on

3890
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:31,040
um just like you and i right now totally

3891
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:33,359
you know just just open conversation

3892
02:40:38,070 --> 02:40:36,640
right and and i went back to lou

3893
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:38,080
which is the question i'm going to throw

3894
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:39,439
out to you now

3895
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:41,439
um i went to louis and i said now

3896
02:40:46,230 --> 02:40:43,680
um you've been making

3897
02:40:48,309 --> 02:40:46,240
some statements about

3898
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:48,319
a 90-day

3899
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:52,080
cycle with the uap task force um to come

3900
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:53,200
back

3901
02:41:02,389 --> 02:40:58,560
the senate intelligence committee

3902
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:02,399
and that we are on this 90-day timetable

3903
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:04,000
can you speak about that well i'm going

3904
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:06,000
to throw that back to you richard

3905
02:41:11,750 --> 02:41:08,880
the anticipation of the uap task force

3906
02:41:13,349 --> 02:41:11,760
uh report back on june 25th was one

3907
02:41:14,870 --> 02:41:13,359
thing

3908
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:14,880
and certainly

3909
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:17,760
that pot came to a boil right that was

3910
02:41:20,309 --> 02:41:19,439
that was that was a lot of fun to go

3911
02:41:22,550 --> 02:41:20,319
through

3912
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:22,560
but if we're going to put this into a

3913
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:24,720
90-day timetable

3914
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:26,720
do you see that as a reality from the

3915
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:29,600
uap task force that we could expect

3916
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:30,880
updates

3917
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:34,160
on this subject every 90 days that seems

3918
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:36,640
like a stretch to me

3919
02:41:41,349 --> 02:41:39,760
it seems like a lot asking a lot from

3920
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,359
like who are the people putting this

3921
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:43,520
together is elizondo going to be

3922
02:41:46,790 --> 02:41:45,439
involved in the preparation of these

3923
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,800
reports

3924
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:49,200
apparently uh

3925
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,560
he didn't he didn't say anything

3926
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:52,640
specific like that

3927
02:41:58,309 --> 02:41:55,120
but um would you

3928
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,319
um my thought is

3929
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:00,720
would it be every 90 days

3930
02:42:05,990 --> 02:42:03,680
another report like we got on june 25th

3931
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:06,000
right without conclusions and without

3932
02:42:09,670 --> 02:42:08,000
any specialists there's nothing in there

3933
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:09,680
right like from a scientific point of

3934
02:42:13,030 --> 02:42:11,920
view is completely useless like you you

3935
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:13,040
can't

3936
02:42:17,990 --> 02:42:16,399
there's nothing for any analyst

3937
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:18,000
to grab onto

3938
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:21,439
in that in that slim little report

3939
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:23,200
so i mean what they you know the report

3940
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:24,800
was

3941
02:42:31,269 --> 02:42:29,200
you've got a statement from

3942
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:31,279
an official military agency that's

3943
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:32,960
saying

3944
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:34,240
these these are things we don't know

3945
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:35,439
what these things are it's like they're

3946
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:37,279
make they made that admission they

3947
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:39,120
didn't get into any details

3948
02:42:43,510 --> 02:42:41,200
of any specific cases there was no

3949
02:42:45,830 --> 02:42:43,520
analysis there was

3950
02:42:48,070 --> 02:42:45,840
there was nothing there was nothing

3951
02:42:51,590 --> 02:42:48,080
no specifics whatsoever

3952
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:51,600
and by the way 144 cases over 20 years

3953
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:53,680
is mighty slimpick and it's like there's

3954
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:55,760
in my own personal database i'll

3955
02:43:00,230 --> 02:42:57,359
guarantee you i've got more cases than

3956
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:00,240
that yeah no you could have 144

3957
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:03,200
incidences uh just with the nimitz

3958
02:43:07,590 --> 02:43:05,279
probably right

3959
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:07,600
well if you broke that jack the uss

3960
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:10,560
roosevelt yes you absolutely the

3961
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,240
implication with that is that they had

3962
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:14,319
probably probably more than 200

3963
02:43:19,190 --> 02:43:16,880
incidents the the new york times article

3964
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,200
that leslie and ralph did back in spring

3965
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:21,279
of 2019 stated

3966
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:23,840
that on a nearly daily basis for about

3967
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:25,040
nine months

3968
02:43:28,230 --> 02:43:26,960
the uss roosevelt off the eastern us

3969
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:28,240
coast was having encounters with these

3970
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:30,640
uap so if you want to take that article

3971
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:32,080
at its word

3972
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:34,080
you've got roughly 200 encounters for

3973
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:36,640
that alone

3974
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:39,600
so you got this task force

3975
02:43:45,830 --> 02:43:43,840
pulling out 144 cases over 20 years like

3976
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:45,840
what's wrong with this picture

3977
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:47,600
and then you've got all the cases soft

3978
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:50,399
in 2019 that we learned about you know

3979
02:43:54,070 --> 02:43:52,640
um the drone swarms whatever those

3980
02:43:55,349 --> 02:43:54,080
things were

3981
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,359
if they're drones they're mighty

3982
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:57,040
impressive drones that's for sure but

3983
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:58,800
whatever they are like those are genuine

3984
02:44:02,309 --> 02:44:00,720
uap they should be in the report they're

3985
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:02,319
not there

3986
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:04,080
where you know where is the data coming

3987
02:44:06,870 --> 02:44:05,359
from

3988
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:06,880
they're not they're clearly not able to

3989
02:44:16,150 --> 02:44:14,550
the 90-day window yeah i think

3990
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:16,160
you know look maybe it's good to hold

3991
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:18,160
them to some accountability

3992
02:44:22,870 --> 02:44:19,600
back in the days when we had project

3993
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:22,880
blue book back in the 50s and 60s blue

3994
02:44:26,630 --> 02:44:25,120
book was a joke as well you know let's

3995
02:44:29,510 --> 02:44:26,640
not forget that a lot of the

3996
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:29,520
investigations blue book did were

3997
02:44:34,469 --> 02:44:32,800
sham investigations and and critics for

3998
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:34,479
years and years pointed out that project

3999
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:36,160
blue book was

4000
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:38,240
really not an effort to explain it was

4001
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:40,720
an effort to explain away and

4002
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:41,439
it

4003
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:45,760
that i simply mean taxpayers paid for

4004
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:46,800
that

4005
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:49,840
and as bad as it was

4006
02:44:53,910 --> 02:44:51,040
blue book

4007
02:44:55,670 --> 02:44:53,920
was quite valuable actually because it

4008
02:44:58,150 --> 02:44:55,680
it gave

4009
02:44:59,910 --> 02:44:58,160
those critics who were

4010
02:45:02,150 --> 02:44:59,920
skeptical skeptical of the us air

4011
02:45:03,990 --> 02:45:02,160
force's honesty on this

4012
02:45:06,710 --> 02:45:04,000
blue book gave them a wedge by which to

4013
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:06,720
kind of pry open this whole thing like

4014
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:09,840
it's an official government agency that

4015
02:45:12,790 --> 02:45:11,359
is supposed to be responsible to the

4016
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,800
people and the same thing would apply to

4017
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:14,880
this uap task force

4018
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:16,800
like

4019
02:45:22,469 --> 02:45:18,880
can we really expect this task force to

4020
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:22,479
do a truly excellent job

4021
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:23,760
analyzing

4022
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:26,080
uap or ufos

4023
02:45:29,750 --> 02:45:28,319
probably not like they haven't shown it

4024
02:45:30,870 --> 02:45:29,760
yet

4025
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:30,880
but

4026
02:45:34,870 --> 02:45:33,200
i would i would still argue it's good to

4027
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:34,880
have it it's better to have it than not

4028
02:45:37,349 --> 02:45:36,000
to have it

4029
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:37,359
as

4030
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:42,479
it's

4031
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,040
that the public the engaged public can

4032
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:49,120
at least

4033
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:52,000
go after and and um

4034
02:45:54,950 --> 02:45:53,439
and use to leverage better

4035
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:54,960
investigations

4036
02:45:59,030 --> 02:45:57,120
now let's not forget a few things

4037
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:59,040
very you know this is

4038
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,200
this is the new blue book

4039
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:03,279
and and as such that means the real

4040
02:46:07,190 --> 02:46:05,439
investigations and the real ufo data is

4041
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:07,200
going to be elsewhere

4042
02:46:09,269 --> 02:46:07,920
so

4043
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:09,279
you know let's not forget that but the

4044
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:11,680
fact that it exists hey you know a few

4045
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:14,000
years ago we didn't have anything

4046
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:16,240
and we were in a complete

4047
02:46:20,630 --> 02:46:18,640
you know ground zero of denial

4048
02:46:22,389 --> 02:46:20,640
so we're not there yet we're not into

4049
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:22,399
that level of denial anymore so that

4050
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:24,479
that's a good thing we still have a long

4051
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:26,640
long long long way to go what what do

4052
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:28,800
you think the reasons are

4053
02:46:33,110 --> 02:46:29,760
um

4054
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:33,120
uh suddenly we don't have

4055
02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:36,640
uh nick pope or lou or chris mellon or

4056
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:39,200
or others uh

4057
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:41,920
in in in the national

4058
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,359
uh you know news um every single night

4059
02:46:49,590 --> 02:46:47,840
or not even once a week it seems that

4060
02:46:53,349 --> 02:46:49,600
suddenly

4061
02:46:54,950 --> 02:46:53,359
the media has it's has changed direction

4062
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,960
with the boat

4063
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:56,800
and it seemed uh

4064
02:47:01,110 --> 02:46:59,600
pretty quick after june 25th everything

4065
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:01,120
just well i think i think most of the

4066
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:02,800
media has really never been all that

4067
02:47:07,349 --> 02:47:05,200
friendly to this subject anyway

4068
02:47:09,269 --> 02:47:07,359
like we we got into our heads oh the new

4069
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:09,279
york times covered it

4070
02:47:12,469 --> 02:47:10,800
you know i mean that's psyched you and

4071
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:12,479
me yeah like in when that first happened

4072
02:47:17,510 --> 02:47:14,720
in 2017 we both are like what the hell

4073
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:17,520
is this all about but i i think what all

4074
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:18,880
that happened

4075
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:21,760
is that a very few

4076
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:24,080
very dedicated journalists namely leslie

4077
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:26,319
kane and ralph blumenthal

4078
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:28,080
were able

4079
02:47:33,750 --> 02:47:31,439
along with their allies in ttsa that

4080
02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:33,760
everyone loves to

4081
02:47:37,269 --> 02:47:36,000
and their allies like people like george

4082
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:37,279
knapp

4083
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:39,040
and in the mainstream people like tucker

4084
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:40,399
carlson like you got to give this guy

4085
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:41,760
some credit so there were there were

4086
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:42,640
some

4087
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:45,439
mainstream allied voices

4088
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:48,880
that that were willing

4089
02:47:51,590 --> 02:47:49,840
to

4090
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:51,600
get this out there the only reason new

4091
02:47:55,190 --> 02:47:53,279
york times covered this at all in my

4092
02:47:56,550 --> 02:47:55,200
opinion now is because leslie and ralph

4093
02:47:58,230 --> 02:47:56,560
basically

4094
02:48:00,070 --> 02:47:58,240
convinced them that this was a good

4095
02:48:01,349 --> 02:48:00,080
thing to do

4096
02:48:03,030 --> 02:48:01,359
mainly because

4097
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:03,040
because the ttsa press conference had

4098
02:48:06,309 --> 02:48:04,399
already happened like

4099
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:06,319
the a-tip program was going to come out

4100
02:48:09,990 --> 02:48:07,760
i don't think there was any way once

4101
02:48:12,150 --> 02:48:10,000
elizondo jumped and

4102
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:12,160
joined them this was going to happen

4103
02:48:15,910 --> 02:48:14,160
and so you could see the new york times

4104
02:48:17,429 --> 02:48:15,920
leadership saying all right well we'll

4105
02:48:18,710 --> 02:48:17,439
we'll get out in front of this and we'll

4106
02:48:20,230 --> 02:48:18,720
we'll do this

4107
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:20,240
when the new york times has done ufo

4108
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:21,680
articles without leslie and ralph

4109
02:48:26,469 --> 02:48:23,279
they've gone right back to their normal

4110
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:26,479
mediocre you know crappy level

4111
02:48:31,590 --> 02:48:29,600
so they show me that they are as an

4112
02:48:34,150 --> 02:48:31,600
institution not at all committed

4113
02:48:36,710 --> 02:48:34,160
actually to opening this up it's really

4114
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:36,720
leslie and ralph but what about fox and

4115
02:48:42,230 --> 02:48:40,960
msnbc and the bbc and and cnn

4116
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:42,240
well how good has the coverage really

4117
02:48:46,230 --> 02:48:43,520
been when you get down to it you know

4118
02:48:48,469 --> 02:48:46,240
the [\h__\h] fox has only been okay because

4119
02:48:50,150 --> 02:48:48,479
of one guy that's carlson

4120
02:48:52,070 --> 02:48:50,160
he's really the only one

4121
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:52,080
cnn has really they've been totally

4122
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:53,760
mediocre on this they've not shown

4123
02:48:56,790 --> 02:48:55,120
anything really

4124
02:48:58,389 --> 02:48:56,800
none of the other major networks have

4125
02:49:00,550 --> 02:48:58,399
really shown a whole lot

4126
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,560
a little bit here and there it's true

4127
02:49:05,590 --> 02:49:02,880
but what all i'm saying is that

4128
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:05,600
there's there's not this coordinated

4129
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:08,000
media effort to promote the ufo subject

4130
02:49:12,389 --> 02:49:10,560
or the uap subject it's just not there

4131
02:49:15,469 --> 02:49:12,399
and i believe that that's

4132
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:15,479
we can expect more of that like of this

4133
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:18,720
non-interest because in my view i i've

4134
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,760
maintained this and i'm going to

4135
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:21,120
continue to maintain this until i'm

4136
02:49:26,269 --> 02:49:23,920
proven wrong which is that

4137
02:49:27,910 --> 02:49:26,279
we are in an era now i talked about

4138
02:49:30,070 --> 02:49:27,920
totalitarianism at the start of this

4139
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:30,080
program with you i firmly believe we're

4140
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:31,600
looking at a global movement here where

4141
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:34,000
the walls are closing in now

4142
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:36,399
and what that means is ufo disclosure

4143
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:38,800
like real disclosure

4144
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,880
not this pretend stuff like oh gee maybe

4145
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,080
there's something out there but like the

4146
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:44,000
real deal so the real deal when you get

4147
02:49:47,110 --> 02:49:45,040
into

4148
02:49:49,670 --> 02:49:47,120
conspiracy and cover-up because you

4149
02:49:51,670 --> 02:49:49,680
cannot get into the serious matter

4150
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:51,680
without getting into the fact that we've

4151
02:49:55,910 --> 02:49:53,600
been lied to for an entire human

4152
02:49:57,990 --> 02:49:55,920
lifetime that's a cover-up

4153
02:49:59,670 --> 02:49:58,000
and that's the red line

4154
02:50:01,110 --> 02:49:59,680
because we're now in an era where you

4155
02:50:03,190 --> 02:50:01,120
and no one listening is allowed to

4156
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:03,200
believe in conspiracy theories ever

4157
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,160
again

4158
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:06,160
that's considered wrong now bad

4159
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:07,760
conspiracy theories

4160
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:10,000
can't believe in it ufo conspiracy i've

4161
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:11,520
got news for everyone that's the mother

4162
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:12,960
of all conspiracy theories there's

4163
02:50:16,230 --> 02:50:15,040
nothing bigger

4164
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:16,240
how is it really going to be can you

4165
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:18,080
imagine all right this is a subject

4166
02:50:22,710 --> 02:50:19,920
that's got serious national security

4167
02:50:24,230 --> 02:50:22,720
implications we can all see that

4168
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:24,240
so you've got a government

4169
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:25,840
that says don't believe in conspiracy

4170
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:28,000
theories well except this one the ufo

4171
02:50:33,190 --> 02:50:30,720
the biggest one is true

4172
02:50:35,349 --> 02:50:33,200
like that's not going to work that's not

4173
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:35,359
going to fly and we have a completely

4174
02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:37,120
controlled media the media exists for

4175
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:39,200
one reason it is to keep the public

4176
02:50:44,389 --> 02:50:41,359
pacified and controlled that's what the

4177
02:50:46,389 --> 02:50:44,399
legacy media does it doesn't do

4178
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:46,399
the the to the extent that it does

4179
02:50:51,750 --> 02:50:49,359
anything other than that

4180
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:51,760
is the exception not the rule

4181
02:50:55,190 --> 02:50:53,359
and it is true that there are sometimes

4182
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:55,200
exceptions sometimes

4183
02:50:59,030 --> 02:50:56,800
by and large you're dealing with a very

4184
02:51:00,790 --> 02:50:59,040
controlled system here do you feel that

4185
02:51:02,230 --> 02:51:00,800
so i just don't see the disclosure

4186
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,240
narrative going any farther and i think

4187
02:51:06,870 --> 02:51:04,720
it's got to be pulled back well and and

4188
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:06,880
and to your point do you think that the

4189
02:51:11,269 --> 02:51:09,520
ufo community got a little bit relaxed

4190
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:11,279
and a little too comfortable

4191
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:14,640
allowing like you know tucker carlson uh

4192
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:15,520
to

4193
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:19,040
where now if that is not happening in

4194
02:51:23,510 --> 02:51:21,439
the rest of the media that it falls

4195
02:51:25,990 --> 02:51:23,520
right back on the shoulders of the ufo

4196
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:26,000
community and people like you and myself

4197
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:28,080
to continue to push this forward we

4198
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:29,760
can't get comfortable thinking that

4199
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:31,920
somebody else is going to do this for us

4200
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:33,680
right that's true that's right

4201
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:35,840
that's right now we want it it's good to

4202
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:37,920
have allies in there

4203
02:51:41,349 --> 02:51:39,760
like when you know when carlson

4204
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:41,359
interviewed lou elizondo a couple of

4205
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:43,040
years ago like they actually talked

4206
02:51:47,349 --> 02:51:45,520
about crash retrievals of ufo i

4207
02:51:49,510 --> 02:51:47,359
that was an amazing moment that was uh

4208
02:51:51,429 --> 02:51:49,520
may 31st 2019. it's a hell of an

4209
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:51,439
interview five minutes

4210
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:54,000
but it would it went a long way it was

4211
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:55,520
shocking

4212
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:56,640
so we

4213
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,439
like

4214
02:52:01,830 --> 02:51:59,439
we want more of those kinds of

4215
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:01,840
conversations in that venue but you are

4216
02:52:04,790 --> 02:52:03,120
right like

4217
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:04,800
we can't

4218
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,160
depend

4219
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:08,000
on that structure

4220
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:09,920
to push this forward we're dealing with

4221
02:52:15,590 --> 02:52:13,200
a hostile structure yes by and large and

4222
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:15,600
it's it is not a structure that is for

4223
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:16,800
the people

4224
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:18,640
and it is it is a structure that has

4225
02:52:21,590 --> 02:52:19,840
been in bed with the intelligence

4226
02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:21,600
community since forever

4227
02:52:24,469 --> 02:52:22,960
it's a structure

4228
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:24,479
that you know

4229
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:26,399
people still need to know what operation

4230
02:52:30,790 --> 02:52:29,040
mockingbird was which was cia

4231
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:30,800
infiltration of mainstream media for

4232
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:31,760
decades

4233
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:33,840
that did not end it's worse now than it

4234
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:35,760
was then

4235
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,880
this is not

4236
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:38,640
the fact that we use phrases like

4237
02:52:44,230 --> 02:52:40,800
conspiracy theory almost makes me crazy

4238
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:44,240
it's like that's a smear

4239
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:45,680
why call it a conspiracy why don't you

4240
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:47,279
just call it a theory why not just call

4241
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:48,479
it an idea no they have to call it a

4242
02:52:52,550 --> 02:52:49,680
conspiracy theory because the whole

4243
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:52,560
thing is to smear it's to disable us to

4244
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:54,560
kneecap an idea so that it doesn't get

4245
02:52:59,349 --> 02:52:55,840
traction

4246
02:53:00,550 --> 02:52:59,359
it's a nasty tactic and and these people

4247
02:53:01,429 --> 02:53:00,560
in the mainstream they use it all the

4248
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:01,439
time as if they know what they're

4249
02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:03,840
talking about and they do not

4250
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:04,720
but

4251
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:07,120
anyways the mainstream is not our friend

4252
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:09,600
it's a control system

4253
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:10,640
and

4254
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:15,680
we got to form our own completely

4255
02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:17,920
independent culture totally independent

4256
02:53:21,510 --> 02:53:20,080
of this mainstream establishment because

4257
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:21,520
that's just one

4258
02:53:25,349 --> 02:53:23,600
big mind control system and

4259
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:25,359
going against it is not easy it's

4260
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:26,800
difficult we're all plugged into the

4261
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:28,560
matrix to one extent or another like how

4262
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:30,080
do you get out everyone's got a cell

4263
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:31,680
phone everyone's tracked

4264
02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:32,800
everyone's

4265
02:53:37,670 --> 02:53:35,840
bombarded by the propaganda every damn

4266
02:53:39,269 --> 02:53:37,680
day

4267
02:53:41,349 --> 02:53:39,279
so we've got to figure out a way to

4268
02:53:43,349 --> 02:53:41,359
create an independent culture

4269
02:53:44,630 --> 02:53:43,359
one that is not dominated and controlled

4270
02:53:46,870 --> 02:53:44,640
by the intelligence community in the

4271
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:46,880
media complex that basically is trying

4272
02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:48,319
to tell us what to think every day of

4273
02:53:51,269 --> 02:53:49,760
the week

4274
02:53:54,070 --> 02:53:51,279
and uh

4275
02:53:56,150 --> 02:53:54,080
the you can tell i'm tired of this stuff

4276
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:56,160
this is the thing though

4277
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:57,680
um

4278
02:54:01,349 --> 02:53:59,680
we and i'm talking about the ufo

4279
02:54:03,030 --> 02:54:01,359
community and the researchers and the

4280
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:03,040
authors and

4281
02:54:07,429 --> 02:54:03,920
and

4282
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:07,439
those that have spoken about their own

4283
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:09,600
uh experiences

4284
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:10,399
we

4285
02:54:13,349 --> 02:54:12,160
fought the man and fought the system

4286
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:13,359
forever

4287
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:16,240
that's what we did and and i just feel

4288
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:17,600
that

4289
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:19,359
we've got to continue we've got to go

4290
02:54:25,510 --> 02:54:21,760
back to the way we used to think about

4291
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:25,520
this which was us against the system

4292
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:28,399
and your point is is

4293
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:30,880
is loud and clear

4294
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:33,680
the system is not your friend and and i

4295
02:54:39,110 --> 02:54:36,000
think that we enjoyed the moment you

4296
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:39,120
know since december of 2017 but

4297
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:41,120
complacency set in

4298
02:54:45,429 --> 02:54:43,600
like suddenly back to the davis notes

4299
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:45,439
again one more thing because the the one

4300
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:46,640
of the key things that comes out of

4301
02:54:50,150 --> 02:54:48,560
those notes is the criminal nature of

4302
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:50,160
the cover-up

4303
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:51,840
all right like it's

4304
02:54:56,710 --> 02:54:53,520
you you have wilson in that like

4305
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:56,720
wilson's not the bad guy in this wilson

4306
02:55:00,309 --> 02:54:59,040
wanted to get at least access to this

4307
02:55:02,150 --> 02:55:00,319
truth and he

4308
02:55:04,389 --> 02:55:02,160
he fought and he got knocked down and he

4309
02:55:06,630 --> 02:55:04,399
was threatened with his career

4310
02:55:09,269 --> 02:55:06,640
and this is again greer was right greer

4311
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:09,279
goes in there and he's saying

4312
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:11,279
these programs are out of government

4313
02:55:15,910 --> 02:55:14,000
control forget congress he's talking

4314
02:55:16,870 --> 02:55:15,920
like the military can't even control

4315
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:16,880
this stuff

4316
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:18,560
and he was right

4317
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:21,359
like this is a serious problem

4318
02:55:26,469 --> 02:55:22,960
people want to [\h__\h] about stephen greer

4319
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:26,479
but like look in 1997 he was right on he

4320
02:55:32,150 --> 02:55:29,439
was he was correct

4321
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:32,160
uh in his assessment here

4322
02:55:35,910 --> 02:55:34,319
and we're we were talking about it he

4323
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:35,920
was on the fact that this is an out of

4324
02:55:40,469 --> 02:55:38,080
control system and those notes reflect

4325
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:40,479
that they reflect essentially what those

4326
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:42,319
notes reflect is the death of the

4327
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:43,920
american republic if you really want to

4328
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:46,800
get into it it talks about how this is a

4329
02:55:50,950 --> 02:55:49,840
runaway system of privatized secrecy and

4330
02:55:52,710 --> 02:55:50,960
by the way

4331
02:55:55,190 --> 02:55:52,720
they're talking about acquisition the

4332
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:55,200
possession of an intact flying saucer

4333
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:56,960
what is more important to our the

4334
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:58,560
advancement of our knowledge than the

4335
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,240
analysis of that thing and we don't have

4336
02:56:04,070 --> 02:56:02,240
any access to it we're looking at ufo

4337
02:56:07,269 --> 02:56:04,080
videos and we get these ufo stories here

4338
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:07,279
and there there's a damn saucer probably

4339
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:09,840
multiple ones that are being held right

4340
02:56:12,389 --> 02:56:11,200
now

4341
02:56:14,070 --> 02:56:12,399
all right

4342
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:14,080
and we're just like twiddling our thumbs

4343
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:15,359
la dee da

4344
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:17,359
like probably lockheed's got it maybe

4345
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:19,760
grump northrop grumman who that

4346
02:56:23,190 --> 02:56:22,080
they've got these things

4347
02:56:25,750 --> 02:56:23,200
and

4348
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:25,760
the amount of knowledge

4349
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:28,399
in that i mean it's astronomical

4350
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:30,240
and the bodies or the knowledge of the

4351
02:56:34,469 --> 02:56:33,040
bodies the biology like this is critical

4352
02:56:37,269 --> 02:56:34,479
stuff

4353
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:37,279
and it has been held from us for an

4354
02:56:41,429 --> 02:56:40,080
entire human lifetime and it's just time

4355
02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:41,439
to end this

4356
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:42,720
this is

4357
02:56:46,550 --> 02:56:43,680
it's

4358
02:56:49,110 --> 02:56:46,560
an insult to our society

4359
02:56:51,349 --> 02:56:49,120
to us as human beings as american

4360
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:51,359
citizens as world citizens as people who

4361
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:52,800
believe in freedom and transparency of

4362
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:54,560
their government like it's an insult to

4363
02:56:58,790 --> 02:56:56,319
all of that

4364
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:58,800
and that's one of many reasons why those

4365
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:01,040
notes by eric davis are so damned

4366
02:57:05,990 --> 02:57:02,880
important

4367
02:57:07,910 --> 02:57:06,000
like they they highlight the destruction

4368
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:07,920
of our society when you get right down

4369
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:09,760
to it let me ask you this deals that

4370
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:11,040
spun off the machine and we're not

4371
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:12,160
controlling it

4372
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,720
and and certainly um

4373
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:16,720
you know if if i was

4374
02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:19,279
the leader of of of a country like the

4375
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:22,319
united states do i lie about this do i

4376
02:57:27,990 --> 02:57:26,080
keep this stuff secret you know forever

4377
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:28,000
and i would say that there's a lot

4378
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:30,960
to support that point of view but let me

4379
02:57:36,630 --> 02:57:33,040
let's spin this around

4380
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:36,640
um you've studied government and history

4381
02:57:43,670 --> 02:57:39,359
do you honestly think that putin if we

4382
02:57:45,910 --> 02:57:43,680
came out with uh all of this

4383
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:45,920
that putin he

4384
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:48,319
i would his position would go ahead you

4385
02:57:51,910 --> 02:57:49,200
do it

4386
02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:51,920
i'm not revealing what we've got

4387
02:57:54,950 --> 02:57:53,600
there's just no way

4388
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:54,960
we're going to keep our stuff to

4389
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:57,120
ourselves absolutely putin and xi

4390
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:00,080
jinping as well china right like

4391
02:58:03,349 --> 02:58:02,000
there so there's kind of an undeclared

4392
02:58:04,630 --> 02:58:03,359
war obviously going on between the

4393
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:04,640
united states and each of those

4394
02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:06,479
countries in their own way

4395
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,920
there's levels of cooperation but

4396
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:09,600
there's a lot of hostility

4397
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:12,399
but on this matter

4398
02:58:17,269 --> 02:58:15,600
of uh uap ufos alien beings no they

4399
02:58:18,950 --> 02:58:17,279
they're these are fundamentally very

4400
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:18,960
conservative

4401
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:21,200
uh structure all of them the u.s

4402
02:58:25,750 --> 02:58:22,800
structure

4403
02:58:26,950 --> 02:58:25,760
most radical of all right now actually

4404
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:26,960
because it's implementing a global

4405
02:58:30,630 --> 02:58:28,240
revolution but

4406
02:58:33,269 --> 02:58:30,640
uh but no putin's fundamentally he's all

4407
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:33,279
about conserving russia

4408
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:35,120
he's he's a classic russian nationalist

4409
02:58:39,990 --> 02:58:36,960
that's what he is and so what he doesn't

4410
02:58:42,550 --> 02:58:40,000
want is to upset the apple cart this is

4411
02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:42,560
this is a very disruptive truth it's

4412
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:44,800
absolutely the case like ufo this is why

4413
02:58:48,469 --> 02:58:46,720
bryce and i did a.d after disclosure

4414
02:58:50,950 --> 02:58:48,479
like we recognized this is a

4415
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:50,960
revolutionary subject and it is a scary

4416
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:52,080
subject

4417
02:58:57,190 --> 02:58:54,080
it is not difficult to see why secrecy

4418
02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:57,200
began on this the problem is

4419
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,120
what do we hold dear in as a society

4420
02:59:04,790 --> 02:59:03,200
do do we or do we not believe in

4421
02:59:06,389 --> 02:59:04,800
accountability by our government to the

4422
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:06,399
people are we going to just give that up

4423
02:59:09,590 --> 02:59:08,080
or not

4424
02:59:11,429 --> 02:59:09,600
now there are people in this world today

4425
02:59:13,349 --> 02:59:11,439
that do want to give it up

4426
02:59:15,429 --> 02:59:13,359
they don't care about freedom anymore

4427
02:59:17,750 --> 02:59:15,439
that's obvious when you look around

4428
02:59:19,349 --> 02:59:17,760
but some of us do care and

4429
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:19,359
and if you believe in the idea of a

4430
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:20,880
government that is responsive to its

4431
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:23,200
citizens to some degree like

4432
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:24,880
yes governments have to have secrets

4433
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:26,880
okay fine we get that but like how much

4434
02:59:30,469 --> 02:59:29,120
how far does this go

4435
02:59:31,349 --> 02:59:30,479
how far are we supposed to get pushed

4436
02:59:33,269 --> 02:59:31,359
and like

4437
02:59:35,590 --> 02:59:33,279
every year it just gets worse

4438
02:59:38,070 --> 02:59:35,600
and now we're into this cover-up that's

4439
02:59:39,750 --> 02:59:38,080
going on for like almost 80 years

4440
02:59:41,910 --> 02:59:39,760
practically

4441
02:59:45,030 --> 02:59:41,920
how long is this supposed to go

4442
02:59:46,630 --> 02:59:45,040
it is undermined

4443
02:59:47,670 --> 02:59:46,640
all of our institutions because to keep

4444
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,680
this thing going you've had to

4445
02:59:50,469 --> 02:59:49,040
manipulate

4446
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:50,479
the media okay so that's been

4447
02:59:54,710 --> 02:59:52,560
compromised the academic world

4448
02:59:56,389 --> 02:59:54,720
compromised the political community

4449
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:56,399
compromised

4450
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:59,200
the own your budgetary authority of

4451
03:00:02,630 --> 03:00:01,120
congress totally compromised because you

4452
03:00:03,910 --> 03:00:02,640
got black budgets that they they don't

4453
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:03,920
know what the hell they're voting on

4454
03:00:06,469 --> 03:00:05,359
they don't have access to any of this

4455
03:00:08,950 --> 03:00:06,479
information

4456
03:00:11,190 --> 03:00:08,960
you have a system of legal illegality

4457
03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:11,200
that has been put into place

4458
03:00:15,110 --> 03:00:13,200
in part not totally to protect the

4459
03:00:16,870 --> 03:00:15,120
secret but in part to protect this

4460
03:00:19,349 --> 03:00:16,880
secret and there's other things going on

4461
03:00:20,630 --> 03:00:19,359
too it's all one big happy criminal uh

4462
03:00:22,550 --> 03:00:20,640
family here

4463
03:00:23,429 --> 03:00:22,560
but the ufo secret

4464
03:00:24,950 --> 03:00:23,439
has

4465
03:00:26,550 --> 03:00:24,960
corroded

4466
03:00:28,469 --> 03:00:26,560
the foundations

4467
03:00:30,870 --> 03:00:28,479
of what was supposed to be and what once

4468
03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:30,880
was a free society

4469
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:33,279
and we are we're corroding it every year

4470
03:00:38,469 --> 03:00:35,200
gets worse and the secrecy on this

4471
03:00:39,910 --> 03:00:38,479
subject is not helping it's hurting

4472
03:00:42,150 --> 03:00:39,920
and we've got to make some decisions

4473
03:00:44,150 --> 03:00:42,160
here as as people as citizens like what

4474
03:00:45,670 --> 03:00:44,160
the hell do we believe in

4475
03:00:47,910 --> 03:00:45,680
are we just going to crawl up into a

4476
03:00:50,309 --> 03:00:47,920
fetal position for the rest of our lives

4477
03:00:52,230 --> 03:00:50,319
and scream don't hurt me protect me save

4478
03:00:54,630 --> 03:00:52,240
me are we going to stand up are we going

4479
03:00:57,269 --> 03:00:54,640
to act like free citizens again

4480
03:00:58,230 --> 03:00:57,279
that used to be the case

4481
03:00:59,910 --> 03:00:58,240
so

4482
03:01:01,670 --> 03:00:59,920
one of the things is

4483
03:01:02,870 --> 03:01:01,680
look i don't want to be lied to anymore

4484
03:01:04,950 --> 03:01:02,880
i'm not going to be treated like i'm

4485
03:01:07,510 --> 03:01:04,960
five years old i'm pissed off about it

4486
03:01:09,750 --> 03:01:07,520
and yes this is a serious problem with

4487
03:01:11,910 --> 03:01:09,760
serious repercussions

4488
03:01:15,110 --> 03:01:11,920
and it could be dangerous there may be

4489
03:01:16,710 --> 03:01:15,120
bad things that come out in this

4490
03:01:18,830 --> 03:01:16,720
well how long is this going to be hidden

4491
03:01:21,750 --> 03:01:18,840
from us

4492
03:01:24,469 --> 03:01:21,760
like it can't be hidden forever

4493
03:01:26,790 --> 03:01:24,479
it's impossible to hide this forever

4494
03:01:30,870 --> 03:01:28,469
you know all that i see is like the

4495
03:01:34,630 --> 03:01:30,880
longer this this goes and is hidden from

4496
03:01:37,030 --> 03:01:34,640
us the weaker we become the more greater

4497
03:01:39,510 --> 03:01:37,040
denial we live in the more psychological

4498
03:01:41,030 --> 03:01:39,520
damage we do to ourselves

4499
03:01:42,550 --> 03:01:41,040
and

4500
03:01:44,550 --> 03:01:42,560
we've got to decide like we just got to

4501
03:01:46,070 --> 03:01:44,560
stop this now how to stop it that's the

4502
03:01:47,429 --> 03:01:46,080
great question like i've been thinking

4503
03:01:48,870 --> 03:01:47,439
about this for over 20 years i haven't

4504
03:01:52,469 --> 03:01:48,880
figured it out like

4505
03:01:54,790 --> 03:01:52,479
this this cover-up is deep and buried

4506
03:01:56,870 --> 03:01:54,800
within private organizations but davis's

4507
03:01:59,750 --> 03:01:56,880
notes this is another thing like

4508
03:02:01,190 --> 03:01:59,760
he gives a little bit of a road map here

4509
03:02:02,710 --> 03:02:01,200
a little bit of a road map there's a

4510
03:02:05,269 --> 03:02:02,720
bureaucratic

4511
03:02:07,750 --> 03:02:05,279
trail of breadcrumbs here that

4512
03:02:10,230 --> 03:02:07,760
that exists in that document

4513
03:02:12,469 --> 03:02:10,240
that shows just in part how deep this

4514
03:02:14,710 --> 03:02:12,479
stuff goes so

4515
03:02:16,309 --> 03:02:14,720
we need to be working together on these

4516
03:02:20,070 --> 03:02:16,319
matters rather than just tearing each

4517
03:02:21,670 --> 03:02:20,080
other down was like oh this is a hoax

4518
03:02:24,309 --> 03:02:21,680
it's not a hoax

4519
03:02:27,030 --> 03:02:24,319
richard bleepin dolan

4520
03:02:28,269 --> 03:02:27,040
thank you so much my friend and again it

4521
03:02:29,750 --> 03:02:28,279
is

4522
03:02:31,830 --> 03:02:29,760
richarddolenmembers.com the links are

4523
03:02:33,910 --> 03:02:31,840
over at jimmychurchradio.com

4524
03:02:35,190 --> 03:02:33,920
we are in danger of getting cut off by

4525
03:02:36,230 --> 03:02:35,200
the network so i'm just going to say

4526
03:02:37,910 --> 03:02:36,240
richard

4527
03:02:39,190 --> 03:02:37,920
great conversation my friend thank you

4528
03:02:41,349 --> 03:02:39,200
so much

4529
03:02:43,990 --> 03:02:41,359
my pleasure jimmy as always

4530
03:02:46,070 --> 03:02:44,000
my best mr greenwald absolutely

4531
03:02:47,990 --> 03:02:46,080
absolutely we're all in this together

4532
03:02:50,070 --> 03:02:48,000
we're all chasing the same thing richard

4533
03:02:51,510 --> 03:02:50,080
thank you so much enjoy the rest of your

4534
03:02:54,150 --> 03:02:51,520
night my friend

4535
03:02:55,020 --> 03:02:54,160
thank you richard dolan i am your host

4536
03:02:57,429 --> 03:02:55,030
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03:02:59,590 --> 03:02:57,439
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03:03:37,030 --> 03:03:34,960
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03:03:39,510 --> 03:03:37,040
night long richard stay right there

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03:03:41,190 --> 03:03:39,520
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03:03:50,870 --> 03:03:41,200
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